How could Fëanor have hoped to defeat Morgoth?

Even though Fingolfin managed to hurt Morgoth, he basically had no chance. Also he was just fighting Morgoth in a duel, while Fëanor would have had to kill all kinds of enemies before even reaching Morgoth.

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    I have a feeling the answer is "Silmaril", just like it is to every other question outside of The Hobbit and LOTR.
    – user40790
    Apr 15, 2016 at 14:16
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    Feanor was obsessed - not too strong a word, I think - with the Silmarils, so much so that he wasn't worried about his chances per se. And while he might not have had much chance against Morgoth directly, he probably had more chance than any other of the Children of Iluvatar. But if someone had said to him "You have no chance" I imagine he'd have answered "So what?" Apr 15, 2016 at 14:36
  • Probaly thought Mandos would understand, too ;)
    – m4r35n357
    Jul 19, 2023 at 11:00
  • @m4r35n357: What do you mean?
    – Make42
    Jul 21, 2023 at 10:58
  • He thought he was in the right, so he probably expected to have a stern telling off & a night in jail and then get let out.
    – m4r35n357
    Jul 21, 2023 at 11:48

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Manwë makes this same point to Fëanor, actually, so we get to hear his response (emphasis mine):

But even as the trumpet sang and Fëanor issued from the gates of Tirion a messenger came at last from Manwë, saying: 'Against the folly of Fëanor shall be set my counsel only. Go not forth! For the hour is evil, and your road leads to sorrow that ye do not foresee. No aid will the Valar lend you in this quest; but neither will they hinder you; for this ye shall know: as ye came hither freely, freely shall ye depart. But thou Fëanor Finwë's son, by thine oath art exiled. The lies of Melkor thou shalt unlearn in bitterness. Vala he is, thou saist. Then thou hast sworn in vain, for none of the Valar canst thou overcome now or ever within the halls of Eä, not though Eru whom thou namest had made thee thrice greater than thou art.'


Then turning to the herald he cried: 'Say this to Manwë Súlimo, High King of Arda: if Fëanor cannot overthrow Morgoth, at least he delays not to assail him, and sits not idle in grief. And it may be that Eru has set in me a fire greater than thou knowest. Such hurt at the least will I do to the Foe of the Valar that even the mighty in the Ring of Doom shall wonder to hear it. Yea, in the end they shall follow me. Farewell!'

The Silmarillion III Quenta Silmarillion Chapter 9: "Of the Flight of the Noldor"

Basically, Fëanor doesn't necessarily intend to defeat Morgoth; that would be a nice bonus, I'm sure, but Fëanor will settle for causing as much grief as he possibly can.

This isn't a terribly sensible response, but that fits; it's a mistake to seek rational motives for Fëanor's actions. We see time and again that his temper leads him to do things that are...unwise, to say the least. This is just another example of his hot-headedness getting him into trouble.


Fëanor embodied the fire aspect of the Noldor.

Fire, or an affinity with fire is used by Tolkien to denote construction, particularly the construction of artifacts, or modification of one's environment, metaphorically or otherwise.

Fire is also seen to represent rebellion, and indeed one only needs to look to the "Flight of the Noldor" to see how similar in thinking Morgoth and Fëanor are.

Fëanor, the Noldor, Morgoth, Sauron,Saruman and Gandalf all are linked with being facile with fire, as well as having the classical aspects associated with fire, quick to anger, emotionality, confrontation, and charisma. I would expect Fëanor to defeat Fingolfin in any kind of duel, and if any mortal creature could defeat a Vala, Fëanor would have been the one.

In fact, it can be defined as victory for a mortal creature to cause an immortal one eternal suffering. Fingolfin achieved this. Fëanor is a much more capable creature, and would be expected to be able to inflict more damage. He would have died doing this, but that certainly beats suffering for millennia from the aftereffects of the battle.

  • How do you know that Fëanor was more powerful then Fingolfin? I don't recall any passage to show this.
    – Make42
    Aug 1, 2016 at 5:55
  • I said Fëanor was a more capable creature, not more powerful. His capability is indicated by being the creator of the Silmarils, for example.
    – chiggsy
    Aug 10, 2016 at 7:40
  • Fingolfin is singled out as "strongest and most valiant" (best fighter), whereas Feanor is "mightiest in skill of word and hand (trouble-making loudmouth who can create cool stuff). Pretty unambiguous to me!
    – m4r35n357
    Jul 19, 2023 at 11:08
  • It's not. Tulka is the mightiest of the Valar in battle. Why is he not king, instead of Manwe? Hell, Tullka is not even the war leader. As for trouble-making? Valar are at fault here. They let Morgoth wander around freely, they did not see Feanor's stones got stolen, by the guy they didn't lock up, who made a clean getaway, because there were also no guards.
    – chiggsy
    Jul 29, 2023 at 9:42
  • Like I realize that we are all Men, and because of this, we view the Valar a certain kind of way. and that means making Feanor some kind of impulsive, irreverent hothead, so we can blame things upon him. .
    – chiggsy
    Jul 29, 2023 at 10:22

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