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Kylo Ren seems determined to emulate Darth Vader, right down to keeping a little "Vader shrine" in his private chambers (complete with the helmet that Luke cremated at the end of Return of the Jedi).

We know that Ren's lightsaber contains a Kyber crystal that is cracked and broken. Could this possibly be the same one that was in Vader's lightsaber?

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It's not the same crystal

During his duel with Luke, Vader's lightsaber fell into the chasm in Palpatine's Throne Room, at the bottom of which lies the Death Star II's 'reactor core'.

Per the (fully canon) Ultimate Star Wars factbook:

In their final duel, Luke momentarily succumbs to his anger and cuts off his father's hand. Thus Vader's lightsaber falls into the same energy well in which Sidious perishes.

Per the Official Novelisation:

The hand, along with bits of metal, wires, and electronic devices, clattered uselessly away while Vader’s lightsaber tumbled over the edge of the span, into the endless shaft below, without a trace.

Per the new Junior Novelisation:

But Luke slashes with his saber, slicing Vader’s arm off. The metal limb tumbles down into the shaft, taking the lightsaber with it.


Note that the Death Star II exploded shortly afterwards with very few survivors. All accounts (both within the main canon and EU) have the saber being destroyed when it fell into the reactor core.

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  • It is speculated that the artifact attempted to be retrieved in "The Perfect Weapon" is either the saber or (more likely) his charred helmet
    – NKCampbell
    Apr 18, 2016 at 15:55
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    Well we've seen another lightsaber that fell down endlessly so why not this one lol
    – Probst
    Apr 18, 2016 at 16:51
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    @NKCampbell - It's a Macguffin made out of pure midi-chlorians
    – Valorum
    Apr 18, 2016 at 16:55
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    @Probst At least Bespin didn't explode shortly afterwards.
    – OrangeDog
    Apr 18, 2016 at 21:08
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    @NKCampbell - "Vermia says: “Was that really Vader’s weapon?” The Kubaz shrugs. “Who knows. And really, who cares?”"
    – Valorum
    Sep 28, 2016 at 20:14
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*huge spoilers for rise of skywalker. you've been warned.

Well, if you'd asked me this question before i saw rise of Skywalker, i would have said no. the death star exploded so it couldn't have survived, right?

Well, it seems there is a chance. We don't know how Kylo got his kyber crystal, and Emperor Palpitine (excuse the spelling) managed to survive the void of space. Emperor palpitine most likely kept vader's saber, as it was an artifact from the time he was in power. in the movie, he said that he kept tabs on kylo ren using Snoke. A master will almost always give their aprentices their first kyber crystal. seeing as Snoke was a creation of Palpatine, he could have easily given Snoke the kyber crystal to pass on to Kylo. kylo ren would have been very acceptive of this if snoke had told him it was in Vader's saber. It is based of a lot of ifs, but most of Star Wars is.

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  • I didn't get the impression that the Palpatine we see in TROS is the one that fell down the DS2 shaft (and went boom). More like one of those "unnatural" thingies Senator P learned from his buddy Plagueis the Notwiseenoughnottotrusthisapprentice.
    – Marakai
    Jan 6, 2020 at 3:46

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