Inspired by these two questions:

Why was the image of Supreme Leader Snoke not "scaled to fit our primitive screens"?

Did Kylo Ren ever actually start training with Snoke?

Do we know if Kylo has met Snoke in person? One would think if the relationship is akin to the Vader/Palpatine one, then they most certainly have. Is there any concrete evidence?

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    Good question, dunno. There's nothing in either novelisation, nor in the film itself that answers this one.
    – Valorum
    Apr 28, 2016 at 15:31

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Yes, as seen in The Last Jedi.

We see Ren (and Hux) in Snoke's chambers early on in the movie.

Later on,

Ren returns to Snokes chambers with Rey. Snoke tasks Ren with killing Rey, but Ren kills Snoke instead, and the two temporarily join forces to take on Snokes elite praetorian guards.

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    and judging by the interaction it doesn't seem like it was the first Kylo was there. Good one picking up this old question to update it based on the new film!
    – Skooba
    Dec 15, 2017 at 14:05
  • @Skooba - Yes, you're absolutely correct. I would be shocked if it was the first time. It is however, the first time we actually have concrete proof of them meeting face to face. Dec 15, 2017 at 14:14

In the Legends book Darth Plagueis, Plagueis states that the most important information and the best training comes from one on one lessons between master and apprentice. Not through other means like holocrons and transmissions. Also in the movie Snoke recalls Kylo and says, "We must complete your training," suggesting that they have started and then halted to execute some plans.

The only problem with any of this is that I don't think Snoke is a Sith Lord so he may not adhere to the same rules. As for hard concrete evidence, we will have to see. Abrams hasn't said much.

Sidious remained silent for a long moment. “Am I to be equally distrustful of the lessons contained in Sith Holocrons?” “Not distrustful,” Plagueis said gravely. “But holocrons contain knowledge specific and idiosyncratic to each Sith who constructed them. Real knowledge is passed by Master to apprentice in sessions such as this, where nothing is codified or recorded—diluted—and thus it cannot be forgotten. There will come a time when you may wish to consult the holocrons of past Masters, but until then you would do better not to be influenced by them. You must discover the dark side in your own way, and perfect your power in your own fashion. All I can do in the meantime is help to keep you from losing your way while we hide in plain sight from the prying eyes of our enemies.”

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    Darth Plagueis is a different continuity to The Force Awakens.
    – Rogue Jedi
    Apr 28, 2016 at 23:57
  • @RogueJedi I thought Palpatine mentioned Plagueis by name in episode III? Apr 29, 2016 at 1:25
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    No he is right, Darth Plagueis the novel is no longer canon with Disney's purchase of Lucas films. Darth Plagueis the person is canon though. What Sidious says in episode 3 is all true but the vast majority of the story is now legend. Some of it is canonized in the novel Tarkin. I just wanted to point out that traditionally master/apprentice relationships are face to face. Apr 29, 2016 at 1:52
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    Ya this stack is awesome. Thanks for the tip. I edited it. Apr 29, 2016 at 14:12

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