I read the answer on Why did Tywin allow Shae to be a witness at the trial? that argues that Tywin was teaching Tyrion a cruel lesson when he had Shae testify against him at the trial.

Tywin claims that he wouldn't really have had Tyrion executed, though that was at crossbow-point and he very likely could have been lying to save his own skin.

Would he really have had Tyrion executed?

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    I'm pretty sure the answer is "nobody knows". We never got a chapter from Tywin's point of view, so all we have to go on is his own word. And to quote somebody or other, Lannisters lie. Good question though!
    – Rand al'Thor
    Commented Apr 30, 2016 at 19:37

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It's quite different between the book and the show, but I think overall the sentiment can be summarised as follows:

  • Tyrion's fate is ultimately irrelevant to Tywin. Jaime's fate is the important thing in his eyes.
  • As long as Tyrion can be used as a bargaining chip for that purpose, there is no reason for Tywin to kill him off when he has non-lethal ways to achieve the same purpose.

In the show, it's shown that the entire situation was a manipulation of Jaime, to move him to make the offer to return to Casterly Rock in exchange for Tyrion's life. The whole thing was a show of how well he has judged Jaime's character, and will gain him back as the heir to House Lannister. The deal he made there is to send Tyrion to the watch, and since the fundamental purpose is to get Jaime back, if the price is to not execute Tyrion and secretly ship him off to Castle Black, he still has an incentive to go through with the plan; it would just be secret instead of Tyrion making a formal plea. The deal between Jaime and him is the important one.

Now that's not as explicit in the book. In the book, as he's on the toilet, he tells Tyrion that his intent is still to send him to the Wall, but he needed Mace Tyrell's "consent". Tyrion "never heard his father speak the words that condemned him". Jaime speaks to Cersei after the trial and says this all his father wants to do is "force me from the Kingsguard, and send me back to Casterly Rock". The overall run of events might be there, but Jaime adamantly demands that he is not leaving the Kingsguard here, so that particular plot point can either be missing, or it's running implicitly in the background and Jaime doesn't want to reveal it to Cersei. I don't think it's the latter - if it is the latter, Jaime has no incentive to free Tyrion and change the course of events.

You can look at it in many ways from there:

  • Maybe Tywin will execute Tyrion, and from there use the lack of heir to try and convince Jaime to step in as Heir of Casterly Rock.
  • Maybe Tywin will send Tyrion to the Wall, and from there use the lack of heir to try and convince Jaime to step in as Heir of Casterly Rock.
  • Mace Tyrell has had a clear grievance in this matter (his daughter could have been poisoned as well). However, Tywin isn't stupid enough to give in all the way and put his house in danger to placate House Tyrell. Maybe the concession of the Black allows the opportunity for him to secretly "keep" Tyrion at hand (by pretending to lose him in transit etc.).
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    Note: To elaborate on the part about "no reason for Tywin to kill him off", there's 2 points in there. 1) House Lannister's future isn't secure as soon as Jaime leaves the Kingsguard. Jaime needs a wife and a heir to secure it, and House Lannister needs a backup plan if for some reason that doesn't happen. 2) Part of the reason Tywin doesn't trust Tyrion with Casterly Rock is his habits (whores, drinking etc.). Beyond hatred, Tywin doesn't see Tyrion as a capable ruler. If it comes right down to it, that hatred doesn't necessarily extend to Tyrion's son by a suitable wife.
    – DariM
    Commented May 2, 2016 at 2:16

I think it would depend on whether Tywin considered Tyrion to have been broken to his will or not - by learning the harsh lessons and consequences of dallying with whores and, more importantly, in defying your father and family patriarch.

If Tyrion was still defiant, then being able to execute him would be a regrettable, but simple solution. A sacrifice of a piece on in the Game of Thrones.

On the other hand, a compliant Tyrion is an asset - he's smart, capable and he's still a Lannister - heirs and marriage are useful, but not so useful that it's worth have a disobedient child. You can see that in his dealings with Cersei and Jaime - he will tolerate minor disobedience, hate and fear, but not to the point that it harms the Lannister dynasty.

If he considered Tyrion a threat to the family, or of no further use or even if his death has more benefits than otherwise he would have him executed.

It's difficult to tell if Tywin planned to execute him - he's more pragmatic than that, but he certainly would have if he felt it was necessary.

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