In Escape from Earth-2

Zoom reaches through the portal and kills Jay Garrick, pulling his body through the portal along with him.

However, we find out in Versus Zoom that he did...something...with his time remnant to fake his death.

I'm not sure how that works exactly. We saw earlier in the season that Eobard Thawne's time remnant still existed and was required to go free because chronologically, it was his first encounter with the Flash. But by killing his time remnant of his younger self, doesn't that mess with himself in the future?

I just don't get what happened here. How exactly did Zoom fake his death? A clear explanation would be very much appreciated.

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    Related: The Flash - Timeline Remnant theory.
    – user54646
    Commented May 17, 2016 at 6:22
  • We'll likely never know the details, unless they provide them in a flashback whenever Barry faces off against Zoom again.
    – TylerH
    Commented May 17, 2016 at 13:59

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We are shown 2 new examples of this in the Season 2 finale:

Zoom travels back in time several seconds, causing 2 Zooms to exist at the same time. The older Zoom - the one that traveled back in time - kills the younger Zoom when Barry won't do it, thus leaving one Zoom left.


At the end of the episode, Barry travels back in time several seconds and convinces his younger version to sacrifice himself to stop Zoom's machine from destroying all of the alternate Earths.

It makes a little more sense after seeing in action 2 more times. Time, apparently, isn't perfectly rigid and when a speedster travels back in time and alters events, the out-of-time speedster continues to exist despite the new order of events that prevent them from traveling back in time and completing the loop.

Zoom used this to his advantage. He traveled back in time and created his grand plot with the help of himself. So, all the appearances of Zoom as the villain were one version of Zoom and all the appearances of Jay Garrick were the other version of Zoom. Thus, they were allowed to exist simultaneously.

When Zoom pulled Garrick through the breach and killed him, he was killing himself - his time remnant. It did not affect him because the timeline had changed.

The link posted in the comments helps explain the time remnant situation a little better:


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