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Oh course, there are a lot of rumors about Dany and her dragons. But do Westerosi know and believe that Dany has grown-up and dangerous dragons? And that she also can control at least one of these dragons.

UPDATE: I'm asking about the situation in TV series, s06e08 and before.

  • Are you looking for show canon only or are book answers fine as well? – kuhl Jun 14 '16 at 2:12
  • @kuhl yes, only about show, I've updated the question – Schullz Jun 14 '16 at 8:57
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  • @Mooz While the question is almost like the one you flagged it with, I do not believe it is a duplicate. The linked question is about do people in westeros know about dany and her dragon(No restriction on age and size). The OP's asking if people know how grown-up and dangerous her dragons are. – Aegon Jun 15 '16 at 4:59
  • @Mooz I'm asking about the current size and power of the dragons. That question is about a too old situation. Now Dany became able to control Drogon, and can use him as a power weapon – Schullz Jun 15 '16 at 11:38
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As per Show, we can't deduce if the Westerosi peasants know/care about Daenerys and her dragons because show usually has to cover the noble class in their limited time.

But since you are talking only about Westerosi and make no distinction between classes, the answer is a categorical yes. Some Westerosi Nobles do know about Daenerys and her dragons but however they do not yet know for sure about their size right now.

To rephrase it, some Westerosi people know about Daenerys, her ascent and her Dragons but they do not know that Dragons have grown up. (But this would be implied because since they haven't heard that the dragons died, it must be obvious that they grew up).

First, Varys told Tyrion about that in Season 2 Episode 8:

Varys: Daenerys Targaryen lives.

Tyrion: A girl at the edge of the world is the least of our problems.

Varys: She has three dragons.

Tyrion: But even if what they say is true, it'll be years before they are fully grown.

Varys: And then there will be nowhere to hide.

Tyrion, being a cynical man, somewhat doubted it.

In Season 4 Episode 6, Varys makes his reports about Daenerys and her dragons to the small council.

Varys: More whispers from the east, my lord.

Tywin: The Targaryen girl?

Varys: Daenerys has taken up residence in Meereen. She has conquered the city and rules as its queen.

Cersei: Conquered with what?

Varys: She commands an army of Unsullied, my queen. Some 8,000 strong. She has a company of sellswords -- the Second Sons. She has two knights advising her-- Jorah Mormont and Barristan Selmy. And she has three dragons.

Cersei: Baby dragons.

Varys: Larger every year, Your Grace.

Pycelle: Mormont is spying on her for us?

Varys: No longer. He appears to be fully devoted to her.

Later what Tywin said proves that he believed Varys:

Dragons haven't won a war in 300 years. Armies win them all the time. She must be dealt with.

But do they know about the extent to which the dragons have grown now? Not that we know of.

The above were the last known reports of Daenerys and her dragons to Westerosi lords and they are pretty much outdated now. Tywin is dead, Tyrion is with Daenerys. Varys has gone over to Dany as well so the spying chain of Iron Throne is still broken, with Qyburn trying to get it running once again. So it is unlikely that Iron Throne received any news about Dany afterwards.

Since Iron Throne did not deal with Dany or her dragons back then, All the Lords & ladies who were aware of that knowledge must have inferred that by now, Dragons must be larger than mere hatchlings that they were at the time of initial reports.


From Books perspective, there are rumors in Westeros regarding the dragons but there are mixed opinions about authenticity of the claims. There is no precise mention of size of dragons in the said rumors. These rumors are mostly in port cities like Oldtown, White Harbor, Kingslanding (Doubtably) & Lannisport (Doubtably) because of the continuous interaction with Sailors coming from Essos, especially Slavers Bay.

For Example from AFFC Prologue, these are students at Citadel talking, some of whom are noble, some are common born:

“How do you know they didn’t [Live in a fish belly]?” Mollander thumped through the grass, looking for more apples. “You’d need to be down the belly yourself to swear they weren’t. One sailor with a story, aye, a man might laugh at that, but when oarsmen off four different ships tell the same tale in four different tongues...”

“The tales are not the same,” insisted Armen. “Dragons in Asshai, dragons in Qarth, dragons in Meereen, Dothraki dragons, dragons freeing slaves... each telling differs from the last.”

“Only in details.” Mollander grew more stubborn when he drank, and even when sober he was bullheaded. “All speak of dragons, and a beautiful young queen.”

And they did know about Daenerys:

“No dragon has ever had three heads except on shields and banners,” Armen the Acolyte said firmly. “That was a heraldic charge, no more. Furthermore, the Targaryens are all dead.”

“Not all,” said Alleras. “The Beggar King had a sister.”

“I thought her head was smashed against a wall,” said Roone.

“No,” said Alleras. “It was Prince Rhaegar’s young son Aegon whose head was dashed against the wall by the Lion of Lannister’s brave men. We speak of Rhaegar’s sister, born on Dragonstone before its fall. The one they called Daenerys.”

“The Stormborn. I recall her now.” Mollander lifted his tankard high, sloshing the cider that remained. “Here’s to her!”

And they did know what she had managed to do:

“Truly? Then how would I tell you about the dragons?” Leo shrugged again. “The mongrel has the right of it. The Mad King’s daughter is alive, and she’s hatched herself three dragons.”

If Leo Tyrell knows, that means there is a fair chance that his father knows as well and so does Lord Hightower.

  • "it must be obvious that they grew up" - it is not obvious because almost nobody knows ho fast do the dragons grow. Even Tyrion, who was interested in dragons, did not know how fast do they grow up – Schullz Jun 14 '16 at 8:59
  • @Schullz I didn't mention anything about the degree to which the dragons grew up. I intentionally limited to usage of the word "They grew up" because that's what living things do if they do not die, with passage of time. Which is why it must be obvious. The answer however remains the same, nobody knows or cares exactly how big Dany's dragons are, in Westeros. – Aegon Jun 14 '16 at 9:05
  • The general idea is mentioned by what Varys said. Dragons will be larger by every year passing – Aegon Jun 14 '16 at 9:06
  • Dragons grow with each year, but if one could be caught saying it will be many years before they're a threat, then they may mistakenly believe the dragons are growing larger every year slower than they actually are. Just because I know children will grow up doesn't mean I won't be surprised how much a kid has grown after being away for 2-3 years, for example. – thegreatjedi Jun 15 '16 at 13:21
  • Sadly we do not know the exact rate at which dragons grow, we just know that they grow better in a free environment as compared to when they are penned in closed enclosures. Most of the knowledge about dragonlore was lost when Baelor I burned Septon Barth's works. There is however no indication in canon material that Westerosi nobles do know the current size of dragons or that they have estimated what size they ought to be now – Aegon Jun 15 '16 at 13:33

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