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Spoilers for S06E10:

When Benjen Stark leaves Bran by the tree, he says that he cannot pass the Wall and the dead cannot pass.

Since he was created as he is by the same magic that created the Ice King, that means the Wall will stop them.

What am I missing, or will the sheer volume of undead allow then to tear down the Wall and break its spell?

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    "...tear down something that massive?" It's basicly a glacier. If what I've been reading is true, hair spray will do it. Also freon and cow farts. – candied_orange Jun 28 '16 at 7:50
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    A couple of points to that, 1) you seem to have man-caused global climate change/warmng confused with depletion of ozone in the upper atmosphere, so, no, hairspray and freon would have nothing to do with it, and 2) being a cmpletely different world, they don't have hair spray, don't have freon, are not releasing eons of stored CO2 in a compressed timeframe. What you've been reading seems weak on actual science. – PoloHoleSet Jun 28 '16 at 11:16
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    @Andrew Mattson: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/… – kl78 Jun 28 '16 at 11:21
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    Oooh, CO2, so what we really have to do, is breath on it. ;) – candied_orange Jun 28 '16 at 15:03
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    @kl78 - I'm not blind to sarcasm, he just totally whiffed on the basics (as further exemplified by the more recent not so witty comeback), so it falls flat, It seemed like canned snark that gets broken out whenever possible, regardless of applicability, more than actual sarcasm. – PoloHoleSet Jun 28 '16 at 15:21
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The dead men cannot pass the wall, that is true. Wall was enchanted with ancient magic by its builder to stop the dead men from coming.

But the Wall is not eternal. It can fall. The others will not try to pass through the gates, they will try to bring it down. We know it can be brought down by magical weapons such as Horn of Joramun which according to legends has the power to bring down the wall.

According to GRRM:

“The Others can do things with ice that we can't imagine and make substances of it."

Winter has finally come which means more snow and increase in power of the others.

  1. They might make an Icy bridge or stairs over the wall to cross it. enter image description here
  2. They might freeze the sea to build an ice road which takes them over the water and lands them on East Watch by The sea.
  3. They might build a bridge across the sea all the way down to South.
  4. They might bring down the wall using Magic and horn of Joramun.
  5. Others have Ice Spiders according to the legend. With it being Being a spider, it is safe to assume the beast might be able to climb over the wall with its rider.
  6. The wall is not complete. There is a dangerous way to by-pass the wall which has been used by Wildlings to raid and attack the Seven Kingdoms. The region is called the Gorge. It can be used to sneak inside the realm without having to trouble with the wall at all. But only surefoot and strong people can cross it, it's not everyone's cup of tea.
  7. Others might try to infiltrate the wall. They have successfully demonstrated that before during the assassination attempt on Jeor Mormont which happened when NW men brought corpses of dead brothers inside Castle Black and at night they rose to kill the Lord Commander. So it appears, others can enter the Wall if a man of the Night's Watch escorts them.

If Wall is not defended by Might of all Men, Others will find a way to by pass it and continue their war against Life.

According to Books however, there is one more point:

"He's some dead thing. The monsters cannot pass so long as the Wall stands and the men of the Night's Watch stay true, that's what Old Nan used to say. He came to meet us at the Wall, but he could not pass. He sent Sam instead, with that wilding girl"

There are two prerequisties for the Wall to deny entry to the others.

  1. Wall has to be standing.
  2. Men of the Night's Watch have to be true.

As of now, Men of the Night's Watch are not true. They have mutinied twice and killed two of their Lord Commanders. It is very important that Men of NW remain true because if any of them escorts the Others inside, Enchantments won't stop them.

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    About truthfulness of NW men: only the first mutiny was against NW and its rules. The second mutiny was because they thought that only lord Snow is wrong and leading NW to completely wrong way. Also, there is an opinion that now NW is more true than before, because all people who want to leave it can leave it, and because of anarchy no one stop and punish him – Schullz Jun 28 '16 at 8:33
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    @Schullz This is a good point though murdering a lord commander is still betrayal of their allegiance to the LC. It is still insubordination and mutiny even if their motives were good. Jon left but I don't think there is any evidence for any member of NW leaving unscathed. Winterfell is back in Stark hand who will most likely behead deserters like all the Starks before them. Order is being restored. – Aegon Jun 28 '16 at 8:37
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    @kuhl Legends hold grains of truth in them. – Aegon Jun 28 '16 at 11:01
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    @terdon You might wanna watch the episode in which NW men bring two wights inside Castle black (Who were pretending to be corpses) and thus the wall's enchantment did not stop them and they rose up to kill LC. Jon saved LC's life and won Longclaw as a reward – Aegon Jun 29 '16 at 10:33
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    @terdon It is possible for men of NW to try to cut a deal with the Others. The original Night's King (books version) was a Lord commander who rose up as a king and struck a deal with others where he had to make sacrifices to them. Others aren't dumb, they can do politics. – Aegon Jun 29 '16 at 10:35
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The mark on Bran's hand.

Mark on Bran's hand

In s06e05, we saw the Night King touch Bran's hand which allowed him to pass through the barrier protecting the tree where Bran was hiding.

The legend says that Bran the Builder built the Wall and to amass such a huge amount of magic he must have had help from the Children of the Forest. The children must have used the same magic to protect the cave too.

By that logic, if Bran crosses the Wall then the White Walkers can too.

EDIT: Some of you mentioned that the Night King used the mark only to find the location of Bran. Here is the conversation that followed between Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven after the Night King touched Bran's hand in S06E05:

Bran: The Night King, he saw me.
Three-Eyed Raven: He touched you. He knows you are here. He'll come for you.
Bran: But he can't get in.
Three-Eyed Raven: He can now. His mark is on you.

As Forward Ed mentioned in the comments, after touching Bran a part of the Night King was now inside the cave which allowed him to breach the barrier.

Since it was not mentioned in the show whether the mark was removed or not, we can assume it is still there.

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    +1, Excellent point. I had completely forgotten about that. It would be pretty disappointing though if that happens. – Aegon Jun 28 '16 at 10:42
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    Just discussed this with a mate. He appears to be of the idea that Night's King only used Bran to find the cave, he broke the protective charms with his own power. – Aegon Jun 28 '16 at 11:00
  • @Aegon The night king knows what Bran is capable of. He is a threat and I doubt he would let him go that easily. – anAmaka Jun 28 '16 at 11:08
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    I'm missing something here, because I can't make heads or tails of this answer. What does touching the hand have to do with the wall? Barrier? What barrier? Touching Bran allowed the Night King to find them. Are you saying it did something else also? – DCShannon Jun 28 '16 at 17:23
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    When Bran first arrived at the cave, there were undead laying beneath the snow that attacked them. The undead could not enter the cave at that time and were destroyed when they tried to enter. Going with the assumption that the NK knows what his creation are doing, I think its fair to say that the NK always knew about the cave but was unable to until he had touched Bran. After touching Bran a part of him was now within the cave and I believe that this is what allows the NK to breach the barrier guarding the cave. – Forward Ed Jun 29 '16 at 5:19
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The wall has magic preventing the Others and the wights from tunneling under the ice or from using any of the openings, but I think it does not prevent them from climbing the wall. For example, in A Dance With Dragons, Jon Snow has a dream where he fights wights that climb the wall to attack him at the top. Here is the relevant section (emphasis mine):

That night he dreamt of wildlings howling from the woods, advancing to the moan of warhorns and the roll of drums. Boom DOOM boom DOOM boom DOOM came the sound, a thousand hearts with a single beat. Some had spears and some had bows and some had axes. Others rode on chariots made of bones, drawn by teams of dogs as big as ponies. Giants lumbered amongst them, forty feet tall, with mauls the size of oak trees.

“Stand fast,” Jon Snow called. “Throw them back.” He stood atop the Wall, alone. “Flame,” he cried, “feed them flame,” but there was no one to pay heed.

They are all gone. They have abandoned me.

Burning shafts hissed upward, trailing tongues of fire. Scarecrow brothers tumbled down, black cloaks ablaze. “Snow,” an eagle cried, as foemen scuttled up the ice like spiders. Jon was armored in black ice, but his blade burned red in his fist. As the dead men reached the top of the Wall he sent them down to die again. He slew a greybeard and a beardless boy, a giant, a gaunt man with filed teeth, a girl with thick red hair. Too late he recognized Ygritte. She was gone as quick as she’d appeared.

Considering this, I think the condition that the Men of the Night's Watch need to remain true for the Wall to repel the Others simply means that they need to man the wall in order to prevent the enemy from climbing over it. "A wall is only as good as the men defending it."

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