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Since only Bran and Howland Reed know about R+L=J as far as we know, Daenerys is kind of without an heir. Why does no one in the show seem concerned about this after season 1?

I mean, if she dies, everyone working for her kind of becomes unemployed right?


In the books how and when is concern over this brought up? What are proposed resolutions if any?

  • People not on Dany's side were concerned about her when she had an heir - Rhaego. They wanted to assassinate her, and her child. Now she doesn't have one (for slightly unrelated reasons). Everyone else on Dany's side is preoccupied with first taking the Iron Throne back before worrying about dynastic succession. – DariM Jul 5 '16 at 0:53
  • @DariM but if Daenerys dies suddenly everyone is unemployed right? Who do the dragons follow? What's to become of tyrion, grey worm, missandei, Jorah, daario, etc? – BCLC Jul 5 '16 at 0:56
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  • They were. In A Game of Thrones (one of the Eddard chapters, I forget which), the Small Council is contemplating killing Dany especially when they find out that she is carrying Drogo's child (and might be a son). Ned strictly opposes this as he doesn't believe in killing children, as well as not killing one who might turn out to be a female and not pose much of a threat anyway. – Möoz Jul 5 '16 at 1:04
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    Daario is concerned about Dany not having any heirs, and he has a solution as well. – Omegacron Jul 5 '16 at 18:37
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Dany's a little busy right now being kidnapped by Dothraki, riding dragonback and invading a continent.

As she alludes to when dumping Daario, once she's set up in Westeros she'll be looking to marry for political reasons; this will traditionally result in an heir.

But, while you're right in that it's important to have a successor, there's really not much point rushing into that now. If she dies, do you think the Unsullied are just going to stand around for 20 years waiting for her kid to go on the warpath? It's debatable that they'd be any better off if she already had a baby.

As an aside, if Daenerys is reading this and does decide she needs an heir, well, I'm available.

  • shes also what 15/6 now? lol – Himarm Jul 5 '16 at 19:11
  • @Himarm: Well, to be fair, she's had a kid before and that was six years ago! – Lightness Races in Orbit Jul 5 '16 at 19:16
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    @BCLC: "Backups"? A child isn't a clone. Right now they want magical Daenerys to rule, not "any available Targaryen". Wasting time on childbirth does not advance anyone's goals here at this point. – Lightness Races in Orbit Jul 6 '16 at 9:29
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    @BCLC: I think you're seeing it as if being in Dany's massive army is like working at a shoe shop. It's not. – Lightness Races in Orbit Jul 7 '16 at 9:10
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    He means you're vastly oversimplifying the dynamics of the situation. First, the Unsullied are freed slaves who have chosen to fight for the person who freed them. Random 1-year old baby doesn't quite foster the same loyalty. Secondly, Daenerys' will to the Iron Throne is what drives her to direct an army there. Random 1-year old baby doesn't have that. You're acting as if people around Daenerys somehow need her to have a child to have "something to do", when their loyalties and relevance is to Daenerys herself. – DariM Jul 8 '16 at 5:00
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In the books Daenerys is quite young, about 16 Y/o so there is plenty of time for her to conceive a heir. And the world is (or was) quite interested in that, Robert sent assassins when he heard she was pregnant.

So for a while it was no concern, since it was kinda fixed that "eventually" she was going to marry someone and have a heir.

She was going to marry Griff/Aegon according to Varys' plan and thus, consolidate the Targaryen/Blackfyre Dynasty

but right now in the books THAT is one of the major concerns.

In Meeren, there is no clear "heir" to Dany. Hizdahr zo Loraq is her husband, but he does not have the support of the rest of the council.

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To address your main question about whether anyone is worried about it well Tyrion appears to worry and finally mentions his concerns in season 7 episode 6.

Tyrion Lannister: How do we ensure your vision endures? After you break the wheel, how do we make sure it stays broken?
Daenerys Targaryen: You want to know who sits on the Iron Throne after I'm dead?
Tyrion Lannister: You say you can't have children. But there are other ways of choosing a successor. The Night's Watch has one method, The Iron born folk, although many flaws...
Daenerys Targaryen: We will discuss the succession after I wear the crown.
Tyrion Lannister: Your Grace, I saw hundreds of arrows fly towards you when you fought on Blackwater Rush, and I saw hundred of arrows miss. But any one of them could have found your heart and end.
Daenerys Targaryen: You've been thinking about my death quite a bit, haven't you? Is this one of the items you've discussed with your brother in King's Landing?
Tyrion Lannister: I'm trying to serve you by planning for the long term.
Daenerys Targaryen: Perhaps if you'd planned for the short term, we wouldn't have lost Dorne and Highgarden. We will discuss the succession after I wear the crown.
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 6, "Beyond the Wall"

As for why most people aren't worried well I think it's answered perfectly well enough by Dany herself in the above quote:

  • She can't have children (maybe she can but she believes she can't)
  • There's no point in deciding it and working it all out if they're unsuccessful anyway

On a side note I think Jorah has been worried about the matter from very early on.

  • Does your answer shed light on previous seasons? Otherwise, I think you cheated... – BCLC Jan 13 '18 at 7:04
  • No it adds new information, we do that all the time to old questions/answers. I don't really understand what cheated means here but the OP has no restrictions on seasons only past season 1 which this is. – TheLethalCarrot Jan 13 '18 at 9:54
  • Lol I am OP. You're answering based on episodes after the date OP posted OP wherein I guess the answer does not shed light on previous episodes. It sounds like saying I should have bought a stock based on its price today. It wouldn't be (that much of) cheating if the price today was somehow shedding some light on previous stock prices. – BCLC Jan 13 '18 at 18:28

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