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For those of you who don't know, Jack Thorne, has written a script called Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, which is set nineteen years after J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter books. As to be expected there are several contradictions with pre-existing canon.

By canon I mean things from Rowling. (i.e. DVK's answer, levels 1-6)

I'll be pretty liberal in counting contradictions, but the more concrete it is, the better.

What discrepancies exist between The Cursed Child and existing Harry Potter canon?

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    Has anyone else noticed that there is a blatant error in the script? In the battle between Harry and Delphi (page 310), she disarms Harry. then after Albus climbs out of the grate in the floor, Delphi fires a killing curse at Albus. THEN Harry fires a bolt back...without a wand..and then "they fire bolts mercilessly at each other as Albus rolls quickly away" 🤔 Harry doesn't have a wand! he was disarmed! he can't have been firing anything at her.. – user72203 Sep 29 '16 at 21:53
  • @user72203 - While that may be an error, I'm not sure that classifies as "contradicting established canon". – ibid Mar 14 '18 at 17:16
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Note that many of these can be answered up, one way or another.

  • Platforms 9 and 10 are separated by a metal barrier, not a brick wall

    He wheeled his trolley forward cautiously until it was right against the barrier and pushed with all his might. The metal remained solid.
    (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - Chapter 5)

    GINNY: All you have to do is walk straight at the wall between platforms nine and ten.
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act one, Scene one)

  • Albus is a Quidditch fan

    Ginny Potter, who is sitting close enough to read everything my Quick-Quotes Quill is scribbling, informs me that Albus is a great fan of Brazilian Chaser Gonçalo Flores.
    (Pottermore - Quidditch World Cup Final)

    ALBUS: Are you clapping her too? We hate Quidditch
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act one, Scene four)

  • People have left the Hogwarts train

    ‘The only people in real danger are the ones whose friends and relatives on the outside are giving trouble. They get taken hostage. Old Xeno Lovegood was getting a bit too outspoken in The Quibbler, so they dragged Luna off the train on the way back for Christmas.’
    (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Chapter 29)

    TROLLEY WITCH: Never — never — have I let anyone off this train before they reached their destination. Some have tried — Sirius Black and his cronies, Fred and George Weasley. ALL HAVE FAILED. BECAUSE THIS TRAIN — IT DOESN’T LIKE PEOPLE GETTING OFF IT . . .
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act one, Scene eleven)

  • McGonagall is no longer headmistress

    MV: Okay. Number one, 19 years later, who's the headmaster at Hogwarts?
    JKR: Well, it would be someone new. Erm, McGonagall was really getting on a bit. So someone completely new. But if I ever do the encyclopedia, I'm promising I will give details.
    J.K. Rowling One-on-One with the Today Show (NBC), July 2007

    HOGWARTS, HEADMISTRESS’S OFFICE
    HARRY and GINNY stand in PROFESSOR McGONAGALL’s office.
    PROFESSOR McGONAGALL: And we don’t know where in the Forbidden Forest?
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act two, Scene three)

  • Hogwarts fireplaces cannot be entered via the Floo Network

    A return to the unregulated travel of the past was impossible, and yet a more secure route into the school (for instance, permitting a fireplace that might be officially entered by Floo powder) was strongly resisted by successive Headmasters, who did not wish the security of the castle to be breached.
    (Pottermore- Hogwarts Express)

    HOGWARTS, HEADMISTRESS’S OFFICE
    (...)
    Suddenly there is a rumble in the chimney. PROFESSOR McGONAGALL looks at it, concerned. Then HERMIONE tumbles out.
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act two, Scene three)

  • Draco and Harry are not destined to become friends

    All of this left me in the unenviable position of pouring cold common sense on ardent readers’ daydreams as I told them, rather severely, that Draco was not concealing a heart of gold under all that sneering and prejudice and that no, he and Harry were not destined to end up best friends.
    (Pottermore - Draco Malfoy)

  • Rose has Ron's hair, not Hermione's hair

    Almost all of the Weasley family are supporting Brazil. Certainly nobody can have expected Ronald to cheer on his wife’s ex-boyfriend. Both his children – Rose, who appears to have inherited her father’s unfortunate hair, and Hugo, who has his mother’s bushy locks – are decked out in green.
    (Pottermore - Quidditch World Cup Final)

    There’s cheering. Particularly from a nervous-looking girl at the edge of the crowd—this is YOUNG HERMIONE (played by the same actress as plays ROSE). It is noticeable that the cheering for HARRY is slightly less than that for CEDRIC.
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act two, Scene seven)

  • Madam Pomfrey is no longer Matron at Hogwarts

    Until recently the pair lived above the Leaky Cauldron in London, but rumour has it that Hannah has not only retrained as a Healer, but is applying for the job of Matron at Hogwarts.
    (Pottermore - Dumbledore's Army Reunites at the Quidditch World Cup)

    HARRY: He’s been out twenty-four hours, mostly in order so Madam Pomfrey could reset his arm. She said it was the strangest thing, it’s like it was broken twenty years ago and allowed to set in the “most contrary” of directions. She says he’ll be fine.
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act two, Scene eight)

  • James has the Marauders Map, not his father

    Courtney: What child did Harry give the Marauders Map to if any
    J.K. Rowling: I've got a feeling he didn't give it to any of them, but that James sneaked it out of his father's desk one day.
    (J.K. Rowling and the Live Chat, Bloomsbury.com, July 30, 2007)

    HARRY: This map will reveal to you where my son is at all times — I expect you to use it. And if I hear you don’t — then I will come down on this school as hard as I can — using the full force of the Ministry — is that understood?
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act two, Scene ten)

  • Voldemort does not let people use his name.

    “Nope, not jesting,” said Harry, his eyes flicking from Death Eater to Death Eater, looking for a weak link, a space through which they could escape. “How come Voldemort wants it?”
    Several of the Death Eaters let out low hisses.
    “You dare speak his name?” whispered Bellatrix.
    (Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - Chapter 35)

    POLLY CHAPMAN: Mudbloods, of course. In the dungeons. Your idea, wasn’t it? What’s going on with you? Oh Potter, I’ve got blood on my shoes again . . .
    She bends and carefully cleans the blood off her shoes.
    Like the Augurey insists — the future is ours to make — so here I am, making a future — with you. For Voldemort and Valor.
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act three, Scene two)

  • Ron is an accomplished auror, not an idiot

    In the immediate aftermath of the battle Weasley, whose famous ginger hair appears to be thinning slightly, entered into employment with the Ministry of Magic alongside Potter, but left only two years later to co-manage the highly successful wizarding joke emporium Weasleys’ Wizard Wheezes. Was he, as he stated at the time, ‘delighted to assist my brother George with a business I’ve always loved’? Or had he had his fill of standing in Potter’s shadow? Was the work of the Auror Department too much for a man who has admitted that the destruction of He Who Could Not Be Named’s Horcruxes ‘took its toll’ on him?
    (Pottermore - Dumbledore's Army Reunites at the Quidditch World Cup

    I’m armed and — entirely dangerous and seriously advise you —
    He realizes his wand is the wrong way around and turns it right.
    To be very careful —
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act three, Scene six)

  • The Potters house was protected by a Fidelius Charm

    Well, of course, You-Know-Who wasn’t an easy person to hide from. Dumbledore told them that their best chance was the Fidelius Charm.”
    “How does that work?” said Madam Rosmerta, breathless with interest.
    Professor Flitwick cleared his throat. “An immensely complex spell,” (...) As long as the Secret-Keeper refused to speak, You-Know-Who could search the village where Lily and James were staying for years and never find them, not even if he had his nose pressed against their sitting room window!”
    (Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - Chapter 10)

    SCORPIUS: And here it is —
    ALBUS: The home of James, Lilly, and Harry Potter...
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act four, Scene three)

  • Polyjuice takes one month to make

    “Well, since the fluxweed has got to be picked at the full moon and the lacewings have got to be stewed for twenty-one days . . . I’d say it’d be ready in about a month, if we can get all the ingredients.”
    (Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - Chapter 10)

    ALBUS: Polyjuicing. And I think Bathilda Bagshot may have all the ingredients for Polyjuice in her basement. We can Polyjuice into Voldemort and bring her to us.
    (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Act four, Scene ten)

  • Bellatrix showed no signs of being pregnant during Deathly Hallows

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    This is very comprehensive, but I'm not sure about all of this. Draco and Harry are not really friends in the play, let alone "best friends." More reluctant allies. I think Ron can be both an accomplished Auror and a bit foolish. Harry could have gotten the map back from McGonagall (and then James took it), or he could have taken it back from James and given it to McGonagall. – Adamant Aug 2 '16 at 4:54
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    A few of these examples are in some of the "alternate futures", so I don't think it's fair to say that contradicts canon. – Salmononius2 Aug 3 '16 at 23:15
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    Love the "Ron is not an idiot" point (and a magic-world equivalent of a cop holding a magic-world gun the wrong way around is not just "a bit foolish"). – user63417 Aug 9 '16 at 12:43
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    @DoctorWho22 Maybe, but doubtful. The description from CoS suggests that they have to be stewed in the potion for 21 days, not stewed separately for 21 days and then added to the potion. – Anthony Grist Sep 1 '16 at 13:48
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    can we add "Hermione is the most intelligent witch of her age, rather than an idiot who would hide an incredibly powerful and dangerous magic item in her office, and then give anyone who went looking for it an easy-to-solve riddle to help them find it"? – Paul L Sep 21 '16 at 13:45
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Keep in mind none of these is a certain contradiction. There may be explanations for each one. But there were several possible inconsistencies that struck me upon a first reading.

  • When Professor McGonagall mentions that the lacewing flies and boomslang skin, essential ingredients for Polyjuice Potion, are missing, none of the various people in the room who have made Polyjuice Potion before seem to see any significance.

  • When various people go back in time, they can see the Potter house, even though the Fidelius Charm is in effect and they have not been given the location by the Secret-Keeper.

  • In the evil alternate universe, where Voldemort won the final battle, the name "Voldemort" is used liberally, even by his dedicated servants. There is even a holiday that incorporates his name. The book Voldemort would likely never have tolerated this.

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    What makes you think the original Voldemort wouldn't have tolerated his name being used like that? As far as I understand, nobody used his name because they feared it, not because he had a problem with it. – Kevin Aug 9 '16 at 14:00
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    @Kevin - There was the whole Taboo thing that he set up. – ibid Aug 31 '16 at 17:28
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    @ibid The Taboo was set up because the only people who used his name were those actively fighting him, so it was a handy way to catch those people. I don't think it indicates any dislike on his part that people use his name at all. The only name he disliked was Tom Riddle, because of the connection with his Muggle father. In a world where Voldemort won he'd have no need for the Taboo. – Anthony Grist Sep 1 '16 at 13:46
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In the second alternate reality Harry dies, but he can't die if Voldemort is still alive as Lily's blood runs in voldemorts veins (from his regeneration) and this tethers Harry to life.

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After reading Cursed Child, the only major issue i noted was,

Harry, Albus, Severus, and gang all go back in time to the night Harry's parents are killed by Voldemort. They are all able to see the Fidelous charm protected Potter house, and listen to Voldemort killing Harrys family.

Other then this, everything else can simply be hand waved by Magic.

  • That can be answered if Pettigrew withdrew the spell entirely. Note that it's only Harry's speculation that the spell died with his parents. – Valorum Aug 2 '16 at 14:42
  • @Valorum - Pretty sure it was the narrator talking, not Harry. Either-way, Harry's speculation> Jack Thorne's speculation. – ibid Aug 31 '16 at 17:27
  • @Valorum true which would make sense that everyone was able to see the ruined house, since afaik the spell doesnt just stop if someone dies, its on a specific location, both Sirius and Dumbledore died and grimwauld place kept its spell up. – Himarm Aug 31 '16 at 17:30
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  1. The whole secret keeper business should not have allowed any of the cast (save Harry) to be able to see the Potters house.

    Pettergrew can inform people, but the charm is not his to cast. He can't erase it. The only reason others were able to come after to the ruins of the home was because the house, and thus the secret, was destroyed.

  2. But here is a big thing; Why was Snape alive in the alternate future?

    I know there is the whole "flux of time" thing going on, but Harry was still hunting Horcruxes (and the whole business with the hallows). That was the whole reason there even was a battle for Hogwarts. Dumbledore still likely died by Snape's hand (which is the reason he was trusted for so long).

    If Harry died in the battle, that means he wouldn't have died in the battle of the seven potters. The only reason he survived that was his wand, which prompted Voldy to search for the Elder wand. And eventually kill Snape.

    There is no reason why the things they altered would have saved Snape. Even with the explanation that humiliation was enough to get Cedric to become a Death Eater (the kid willingly gave up a win for a tie in the original Triwizard Tournament because he was so honorable, and was pretty much as clean/moral as they come at Hogwarts), that doesn't explain why he was still around when Voldemort still would have killed Snape (even if it was a world in which Malfoy killed Dumbledore, why is Malfoy still around?). He wanted that wand bad.

    Snape should have been dead.

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    Yes. Also whatever made Snape survive in the alternative reality also gave him brain damage which completely changed his snarky personality to a sappy snape. – user68762 Aug 5 '16 at 18:22
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    As per the help center, don't go on a rant when answering questions. Also, your second point has some questions in it, so if you have a question, click "ask question" (in the top right corner). I'd be interested in what people have to say about "why was Snape alive?" :) – RedCaio Aug 9 '16 at 18:53
  • Not sure about point #1. If Harry was the only survivor AND he knew the secret, then after Wormtail's death, he became the secret keeper. Besides, in Deathly Hallows, Hermione could see the house PRIOR TO Wormtail's death, and he certainly hadn't told her the secret... – Doug R. Sep 2 '16 at 14:35
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Since the reason Voldemort lives is because Neville wasn't alive to kill Nagini, I think we can assume Harry went through with his 'sacrifice' and survived because of the tethering thing. But he ultimately died when he went against Voldemort the 2nd time that night because Voldemort still had Nagini. I doubt he can be protected by his mother's blood an unlimited number of times...maybe just the once?

  • It's unclear what exactly you're saying here. Please edit to improve your answer. – RedCaio Aug 7 '16 at 8:05
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    @Rosemary324 I don't think there is any limit on the amount of times Harry could be resurrected on the back of his mother's blood. The purpose of Harry dying was to kill the horcrux inside him, which was tethering Voldemort to life. The only way the Cursed Child plot would work was if Voldemort regenerated by some other means than the "blood of a foe forcibly taken", which is possible. – user69982 Aug 9 '16 at 13:53
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Another flaw to me is when they traveled back in the time when Voldemort broke in the Potter's home in the dead of the night, and effortlessly murdered Harry's parents and attempt to murder Harry himself. How is it that they returned to the present? Remember the Prisoner of Azkaban? Once you click on a time-turner one time, you cannot reverse the time to the present until you waste one hour of your life regardless of what your doing.

That's a part in the Cursed Child I don't understand. Oh, in case I haven't told anyone I never read it, but have heard of it. I apologize if I get some facts wrong.

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    They had a line in the play about this being a "different" time-turner. – ibid Aug 31 '16 at 17:24
  • This is explained away by the fact that this is a new type of Time-Turner commissioned by Lucius Malfoy and passed along to Draco. – Skooba Aug 31 '16 at 17:25
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Many 'good' characters, including Hermione, refer to Voldemort as 'The Dark Lord' rather than by his name or HWMNBN. Only his followers referred to him this way.

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    Not entirely true. Snape continued to refer to him by that name long after he started working for Dumbedore. And whoever labeled the prophecies in the Department of Ministry also used that title when they wrote down "The Dark Lord and (?)Harry Potter". – Paul L Sep 22 '16 at 14:50
  • @PaulL - It was probably Rookwood that wrote it. – ibid Oct 20 '16 at 14:51
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First of all, we should remember that the script that was published and released was NOT the finished story. It was the FIRST DRAFT that was given to us. It was the Special Rehearsal Edition. The final story with the repairs and tweaks will be published in 2017 as the Definitive Collector's Edition. The Special Rehearsal Edition was for rehearsal of the play and the previews. The tweaks were suggested by the audience of the previews. The previews were the showings that happened before the play officially released to ask for reviews and changes in the plot and the special effects. So, in fact there are many different versions of the script with slight changes as the previews progressed. The changes being from dialogue to major events alongside special effects of the play. So, there are 20, 30 or maybe even more versions of Harry Potter And The Cursed Child with varying plot and story contradictions lying out there somewhere, either at the theater where the play is going on, or at JK Rowling's or at John Tiffany's or at Jack Thorne's house. The final, canon version of the story will come out next year. Atleast JK Rowling gave us something. If she had decided to print the Definitive Collector's Edition only, we would have gotten nothing this year, except for Fantastic Beasts. The final story was prepared around the 22nd of July, so the final story would have taken atleast months to be published worldwide and we would have had to wait till next year for the story. Atleast we got something, even it wasn't canon and most of the story will be replaced by something else. So, in conclusion, most of the contradictions will have been repaired by the next edition of the Harry Potter and the Cursed Child.

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    Welcome to SFF.SE! This is a wonderful insight, but doesn't really answer the question. It also runs on a bit of speculation because we have no idea what will or what will not be changed if a new version of the script is released. Stick around though, see what other questions you find interesting and I hope to see more answers or questions from you. – Skooba Sep 29 '16 at 11:40
  • Doesn't really answer the question. Also reports from the play say that not much was actually changed. – ibid Sep 29 '16 at 12:44
  • Most of the contradictions will have been repaired by the next edition of the Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Well the new edition hasn't repaired any of them. – ibid Aug 11 '17 at 10:34

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