After being refused by Feanor, Morgoth went to southern Valinor to seek out Ungoliant and the two of them destroyed the Two Trees, murdered Finwe and plundered Feanor's Vault and stole his Silmarils and fled.

My point is: how was Ungoliant in Valinor already without being noticed by the Valar, Ungoliant was a huge spider formed evil spirit and dwelling in the lands of the Valar. Was she already in Valinor before the Valar resided there?

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    They infiltrated Valinor by shrouding themselves in darkness webs, right?
    – Kevin
    Commented Aug 23, 2016 at 9:48

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This is answered in the passage of the Silmarillion introducing Ungoliant:

...she fled to the south, escaping the assaults of the Valar and the hunters of Orome, for their vigilance had ever been to the north, and the south was long unheeded.

In other words, the Valar weren't looking in that direction.


Ungoliant was in Middle Earth from the beginning and may well have settled before the Valar. She lived in the deepest darkness below some mountains beyond the Southern border if Valinor in an area called Avathar (I will add the quote later when I have the book to hand). It is possible this darkness combined with her own dark webs shielded herself from the Valar. Furthermore she appears to be as powerful as the Valar as she defeated Morgoth in a fight. The Valar might have known she was there but not wanted to fight such a powerful enemy especially with Morgoth already at large fighting two powerfull evils might have been beyond them so they focused on Morgoth.

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    It's probably worth making the distinction that Avathar lay to the south of Valinor, not necessarily being part of Valinor.
    – chepner
    Commented Aug 23, 2016 at 13:25
  • Thanks, I wasn't sure whether it was in Valinor or not. Commented Aug 23, 2016 at 13:26
  • It might be worth pointing out that Ungoliant was a spirit created "before the world" which likely puts her into the category of Maiar, some of whom turned to evil/darkness before Arda was formed. (Primeval spirit of night, named Moru, per Unfinished Tales). That puts her at least on a similar level of power/creation to various other Maiar, like Melkor. Commented Aug 23, 2016 at 15:19

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