What was the gravel-like surface that Kylo Ren put his mask on?

It seemed strange to me, both that there was this large dedicated storage surface for his mask in the interrogation room and that it had this rocky, dirt/gravel like substance in it.

I could be mistaken but I seem to think he also had a storage surface like this for Darth Vader's mask.

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    Just some dirt I got from the garden.
    – KyloRen
    Commented Sep 12, 2016 at 3:18
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    @KyloRen You thought if you planted it then you might be able to grow a few more?
    – Hack-R
    Commented Sep 12, 2016 at 3:22
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    Nah, was not really thinking at the time. Actually it is a pain to clean the crap off the helmet when I need to put back on, the dirt is like hair after a haircut and not taking a shower, really itchy.
    – KyloRen
    Commented Sep 12, 2016 at 3:35
  • I thought they were the ashes of Darth Vader. Kylo Ren retrieved the helmet from wherever Vader's remains were buried after the cremation, he could well have brought some ashes too. No confirmation of that though.
    – Cyrus
    Commented Sep 13, 2016 at 7:02

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According to this interview with J.J. Abrams:

“The backstory is, that that table has the ashes of the enemies he’s killed,” Abrams says.

So there's a somewhat out-of-universe answer (not technically canon, unless perhaps it is mentioned in the novelization).

EDIT: By @ruakh's suggestion, this answer is better described as in-universe but still not technically canon

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    Thank you. Let's hope there's no nearby ventilation LOL. OK seriously, let's give a little more time for anyone who may have more details and if no one else submits a better answer I'll mark this as the answer. Thanks!
    – Hack-R
    Commented Sep 12, 2016 at 2:58
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    Why wouldn't a quote from the director be canon?
    – RedCaio
    Commented Sep 12, 2016 at 3:59
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    @RedCaio IMHO, word from the director is more like "Word of God". To be canon, it would have to be specifically mentioned in a canon source such as a movie or a book. But it's close to canon.
    – DBPriGuy
    Commented Sep 12, 2016 at 4:01
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    Well that's very lame. I was hoping for Vader's ashes; "ya, this is d00ds i killed, f33r me" isn't exactly teeming with character.
    – kungphu
    Commented Sep 12, 2016 at 5:30
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    @RedCaio: In general when managing a fictional property, if the owner of the property is going to have a notion of "canon" at all, it means that something canonical "isn't allowed" to be contradicted in future releases. At least that if it is, there must be some explanation provided of why what appeared to be true actually isn't. So for some properties the director's word ex cathedra might be considered canon, for other properties they don't want future writers to be constrained by the director's off-hand remarks, and so don't hold them as canonical. Commented Sep 12, 2016 at 8:32

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