If God AKA Chuck created the earth then why in Hammer of the Gods do the pagan gods say that "you westerners think the earth is yours" and that "they" were there first? Surely if God, AKA Chuck, created the earth then he and his angels etc. were there first.

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    Because Supernatural is inconsistent? – Adamant Sep 23 '16 at 1:11
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    If its anything similar to mutliverses like DC then usually Creator stops doing anything after the creation with devils and angels doing very little. Gods are simple very powerful beings that feed on worship. Saying "We've been here first" simply means "We've been worshipped here first" – Yasskier Sep 23 '16 at 1:43
  • @Yasskier Dunno if you've seen Supernatural, but you're very close. – Izkata Sep 23 '16 at 1:55
  • @Izkata I've seen few Season 1 episodes. But the approach I've described is seen in quite a few setting that try to match the monotheistic and polytheistic religions. – Yasskier Sep 23 '16 at 2:36
  • Posturing? Odin and Zao Shen argue about the validity of their respective belief systems and which one is older. If they were first, wouldn't arguments regarding giant turtles, serpents and wolves be unnecessary? – geewhiz Sep 24 '16 at 1:58

I think Pagan gods were created by humans, I mean by human beliefs.
And we know all through human existence they have worshiped many different gods. For example: Before Christianity was spread wide there was a Zeus. Which was created by the massive faith of humans, so Zeus was born and believed that he was one of the first gods.

  • Sylar, good concept. However, Hellenic Greece is relatively recent. Earlier cultures, just in that region, such as Egypt and Babylon also had their gods. Any was the sky god in Sumeria, for instance. – Verdan Sep 5 '18 at 16:18

Maybe they're a side effect? Perhaps Chuck created planet Earth and endowed it with a life force or something like that, and this life force with time evolved and developed consciousness, becoming the first "god" who later gave birth to the other pagan gods. All of that even before humans were around, since the angels were around before the first life form was out of the oceans. This is like how Castiel stated and Kali said they (pagan gods) were on planet Earth first; that or they're just Tulpas, which would make more sense since their power is based upon the number of worshippers they still have.

  • Is it stated anywhere that God predates mankind? He could be just like the other pagan gods just more powerful today? – Goodbye SE Sep 5 '18 at 12:42

So what about the other planets in our galaxy or our known universe for that matter? Do any of those planets harbour life that God, aka Chuck, created. I remember Lucifer wanting to bring his son to some other place in the universe to live giving me the impression that that Chuck created other biospheres with life.

I'm just assuming that Earth was like the one that most of his effort and love went into that he created humans in his image. I don't know but for some reason Earth seems to be the center of attention maybe where God's base of operations were (heaven) but they have introduced other world's like the places Charlie travels to. The alternate worlds with another Michael does that mean there is another god or is it the same chuck that looks after all versions with ours being the real one but the others just being every possible outcome in existence playing out in simulation time situations.

I'm hoping that they went deeper than the already super deep mythology. And back to why I originally sought out this post I was curious to whether god really created everything or did he just happen to be the only thing left in the universe with omnipotent power after some unforeseen event. I feel like according to the old gods, they were there first on Earth meaning the Earth existed and humans existed then God came into play created angels and heaven and tinkered with humanity giving them a soul and since he was more powerful than the old gods he really could do whatever. If they are referred to as the old gods then he must of been a new god, or at least a new player to them. Maybe he just wasn't around or didn't interfere with them. Maybe he did create the old gods before the angels to be more godlike like himself when first trying to create beings.

We know he was experimenting with creation because of the leviathan that went bad. So maybe the old gods were another creation experiment to create being a with God like powers but with free will. Seeing as angels are god like beings that were more drone like with a hive mind and humans have the free will but no god like power. It's like he was trying different mix ups trying to get the recipe right.

  • I've edited in some paragraph breaks so this is easier to read but it's still not totally clear. Could you edit in a summary to this as to what your answer is? – TheLethalCarrot Sep 5 '18 at 12:31

I think the comment about how God was more powerful, so he tinkered with humans etc. made the most sense. In the episode when Lucifer and the pagan gods are together, Lucifer says to Mercury "No wonder you pagans forfeited this planet to us." But that still doesn't explain Chuck pretty much saying he created the universe with his sister Amara, light and dark..?

So I think Supernatural has some plot holes, which is kind of annoying but it's still my favourite show.

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    Hi, welcome to SF&F! You should take the tour to learn more about how the site works. I'm not sure how this answers the question why the pagan gods think that they were first if God created the earth (and must therefore have preceded them). Perhaps you can edit your answer to specifically address the question? – DavidW Apr 1 '19 at 15:50

I would wonder if The Shadow of The Empty created the so-called pagans for example and created even The Darkness, God and even all four horsemen of the apocalypse and granted them their powers specially Death, the Primordial Horseman. If The Shadow started the natural order and controlled it and made like a system possibly or even if The Shadow was sleeping and dreaming he could still do incredibly much in his own dreams for example writing things to happen and chain reactions if things does happen as he wants some to die. If The Shadow granted God, The Darkness, and Death the Primordial Horseman their nigh-omnipotent power and granted God and Death their nigh-omniscience and if The Shadow himself or herself depend on how you see it if The Shadow held literally infinite and unlimited amount of supernatural power and was almost in a way omnipotent.

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    Hi, welcome to SF&F. Do you have any evidence for this, or is it just pure speculation? Answers should be able to cite facts from the show or its creators in support. Please read How to Answer. – DavidW May 18 '19 at 22:31
  • I've stripped all the caps lock out of your answer, because it was painful to try and read, but I still have no idea what you're actually trying to say. – F1Krazy May 19 '19 at 9:23

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