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"There is no life in the void, only death" ,says Sauron to Frodo immediately after a terryfying " I see you " when Frodo puts on the Ring at the Prancing Pony in the Fellowship movie Now, I am aware this scene might never have been a part of the book, but I would like opinions on why Peter Jackson thought Sauron might say this to Frodo.


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    Sauron is telling Frodo: "I'm going to make Middle Earth great again. Believe me, it's gonna be huge. I've had tremendous success with my Orc armies . . ." – RobertF Oct 20 '16 at 13:20
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    he's already built a wall... – NKCampbell Oct 20 '16 at 14:54
  • He's padding his debate response, like any good politician. "There is no life in the void. Only death. Like, really, really dead. Not only merely dead..." – Ber Nov 5 '16 at 5:49
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    @RobertF "Take one look at that elf chick and tell me I'd want to rule over her... please. Believe me, there's far more attractive races I'd want to rule over, know what I mean? You've got these Southrons overrunning the Shire, and the hills are just teeming with goblins. And the Dwarves! Those guys are so crafty! When I'm ruler of Middle-Earth, I'm going to make such great deals with the Dwarves... we're gonna take all of their Mithril! Gondor is corrupt... and that marble courtyard is so ugly. I'll replace it with solid brass... Pelennor will be a world-class golf resort!" – Ber Nov 5 '16 at 6:07
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Possible related to the lies that Morgoth told Men. He perverted the "gift of men" to be the "doom of men".

Death is their fate, the gift of Ilúvatar, which as Time wears even the Powers shall envy. But Melkor has cast his shadow upon it, and confounded it with darkness, and brought forth evil out of good, and fear out of hope. Yet of old the Valar declared to the Elves in Valinor that Men shall join in the Second Music of the Ainur; whereas Ilúvatar has not revealed what he purposes for the Elves after the World’s end, and Melkor has not discovered it.

Sauron carried this on and convinced the men of Numenor to invade the undying lands and take immortality from the Valar.

And he said: ‘The Valar have possessed themselves of the land where there is no death; and they lie to you concerning it, hiding it as best they may, because of their avarice, and their fear lest the Kings of Men should wrest from them the deathless realm and rule the world in their stead. And though, doubtless, the gift of life unending is not for all, but only for such as are worthy, being men of might and pride and great lineage, yet against all justice is it done that this gift, which is his due, should be withheld from the King of Kings, Ar-Pharazôn, mightiest of the sons of Earth, to whom Manwë alone can be compared, if even he. But great kings do not brook denials, and take what is their due.’

  • As stated, the "void" is also different from death. While trying to cheat death is a lie he cast on the Nùmenôriens for their doom, it is unrelated with the movie's sentence. More likely he wanted to frighten Frodo, by meaning "Careful with that Ring, if you stay invisible too long , you'll end up a wraith yourself. And they aren't really living, you know...". Well, that's my bet, for what it's worth. – Tjafaas Oct 20 '16 at 17:23
  • @Tjafaas I know the void is different from death. That's why I think he says it - Morgoth and Sauron lied to Men and said death was the end, when they didn't know what happened to Men after death as that's a secret Eru has kept to himself – user46509 Oct 20 '16 at 17:25
  • So is Sauron just reflecting on his own fate and doom as foretold in the Ainurindale? Is there any specific reason Sauron is saying this to Frodo? – Valandil Oct 21 '16 at 19:10
  • @Default_User I think he's trying to tell him he will die in vain. As death leads to the void. – user46509 Oct 21 '16 at 19:10
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    sigh Tolkien Sauron seems to be so much more articulate than movie Sauron... – Ber Nov 5 '16 at 5:54

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