# How big is the Hogwarts Express train?

How big is the Hogwarts Express train? How big should it be so that all students fit in it?

In the books there is always someone who complains that everything is full but the Trio usually doesn't have to share a compartment with anyone else.

Even in Harry Potter and The Philosophers Stone, Harry and Ron are alone.

• Are the lego sets canon? They only have one carriage for passangers. Dec 11 '16 at 8:08
• There's full and there's "full". I suspect the people complaining that everywhere is full actually mean "There's no compartments that don't contain people I don't know or don't want to sit with." Dec 11 '16 at 14:17

Order of the Phoenix, Chapter Ten: “Luna Lovegood”. While looking for a seat, having separated from Ron and Hermione who “are supposed to go into the prefect carriage”, Harry is stared at and pointed out by students, it reads:

“After he had met this behavior in five consecutive carriages”

and shortly thereafter Harry meets Neville in “the very last carriage”.

This implies that there would be at least seven carriages: (Prefect carriage, 5 consecutive and last), although the “last carriage” could also be number six.

To the best of my knowledge is never stated directly, but it is implied that the students are sorted into roughly equal numbers in the 4 houses at Hogwarts. There are 7 years and each house has about 10 students per year, or 280 students at the school at any one time, assuming constant class sizes and no dropouts.

If all of the students ride the Hogwarts Express and the cars are standard size, then it has 9 compartments per car, each of which can hold at least 4 students. In this case, the train only needs 8 passenger cars to hold everyone comfortably at 4 passengers per compartment. A normal passenger compartment seats 6, but in the books we almost never see this - it's usually 4 or 5 students per compartment, and sometimes only two.

From the Film: The train, at 4 passenger cars, is not big enough to fit the students.

When we see the Hogwarts Express in the movies it only has 3-4 passenger cars, each of which has 8 windows, and presumably 8 passenger compartments per car as a result - far too few for comfortable seating unless it is magically larger inside than outside, such that compartments are possible on both sides of the train, unlike a normal compartment car. Even then, the train would be right at the capacity for students. (4 cars x 16 magical compartments per car x 4 students per compartment = 256 students)

UPDATE:

From the Books: The train, at 6-7 passenger cars, is just about right for the calculated student population.

Robert Flock, in his answer below, was able to find a reference from the novels to help. Order of the Phoenix, Chapter Ten: “Luna Lovegood” The book describes Harry being goggled at while looking for a seat on the train.

“After he had met this behavior in five consecutive carriages”

He then finds a seat shortly thereafter in the last car on the train. This means that there are six or seven cars. Assuming the same non-magical cars as above, 6 cars with 9 compartments per car each would require an average of just over five students per compartment, or about four and a half if the train had seven passenger cars. This is much more realistic based on the known student population.

• Um, folks. It is called magic .... Dec 11 '16 at 10:23
• The number of students is wildly inconsistent throughout the series, but as far as I know the intended number was in the region of 800+ (there were a few hundred Slytherin mentioned during at least one game of Quidditch). Compartments on the Hogwarts express are also shown to be capable of holding considerably more than 4 students. Dec 11 '16 at 14:16
• @AnthonyGrist There are major problems with the size of the wizarding population in the HP world. JK Rowling is on record saying that there are 600-1000 students in Hogwarts, but also only 3000 wizards in all of England. However, that is enough to require a massive government ministry, independent criminal system, support a thriving economy in multiple locations, and populate an entire sports league. I just went with what we actually see in terms of student numbers in Harry's class. Dec 11 '16 at 20:43
• Compartment trains I have used on British Rail held up to 6 passengers. I imagine that is what JKR had in mind. Sep 13 '19 at 2:49

The train has undetectable extension charms on the passenger cars, and the majority of sources say there are 3 cars when it runs in the Christmas and Easter, and 5 on the end/beginning if the year (this is including the baggage/prefect car).

• ”majority of sources” - could you edit your answer to include at least one of these to back it up? Sep 13 '19 at 8:05