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We all know the scene in ROTS where the Jedi are getting purged in the Temple and the clones surround them as seen here:

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My question is why the rebels couldn't do the same thing with Vader. Is he exceptionally good with the light saber or are the rebels just not on an equal scale to the clone troopers?

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    We're lead to assume that Vader is just a bad *ss that he would use his precognition to avoid ever getting in that situation. The Jedis were being blocked by Palpatine. Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 15:30
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    When in Star Wars did the rebels get an opportunity to ambush Vader and overwhelm him with their greater numbers?
    – Valorum
    Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 15:36
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    @Valorum - SPOILER ALERT: End of Rogue One. Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 15:37
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    @Valorum You don't need to surround him so much as shoot so much that he can't block it all. Just ask Jedi Master Sooki-Ess De'th.
    – user40790
    Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 15:51
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    @JasonBaker - A prime example of why you don't bring grenades when fighting a Sith/Magneto pm1.narvii.com/5976/…
    – Valorum
    Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 16:20

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  1. Tactics (Element of surprise).

    Jedi had no idea they were going to be attacked. When they did know (Yoda), they were successful.

  2. Tactics (Vader is rarely in bad tactical situation)

    As commenters noted, Vader is almost never seen in canon in a dire tactical situation like the video in OP's question. He doesn't get surrounded. The only major fight we see (Rogue One), he faces people in narrow corridors, where the numerical superiority is significantly diminished.

    Whether that's due to luck, or deliberate avoidance of bad tactical position due to Force precognition, isn't known.

  3. The Force access.

    All throughout prequel timeline it's stressed that Sidious diminished Jedi's ability to sense the Force.

    Vader doesn't suffer from that handicap.

  4. Vader is Anakin Skywalker++.

    One of the strongest Force Users ever even back as a Jedi, with Midichlo&^n count dialed up to 11. The Chosen One. Then, trained by the best defensive swordsman in the Order (Obi-Wan, according to Novelization). Then, trained on top of that as a Sith by Sidious, who bested even Yoda in combat.

  5. The Dark Side is stronger. He has access to skills Jedi did not.

    Remember, even as a Jedi, he bested - in direct combat - Darth Tyrannus, once he opened himself up to the Dark Side (novelization to ROTS covers that in detail). Dooku happened to be one of the best fighters in the order even before becoming a Sith, and who bested Obi-Wan in combat, easily, twice.

  6. Compassion.

    Jedi Generals were likely hesitant to kill clone troopers they were fighting side by side in. Vader has no special affinity for the Rebels.

  7. Yes, Rebels are inferior.

    Some Rebels are amazing fighters, but most are not. Clones were all cloned from Jango Fett and trained to an amazing extent. And Rebels have virtually no armor, as opposed to clones.

    I don't think that would have mattered to Vader either way, to be honest (witness Yoda and Obi-Wan surviving O66 attacks), but it may be a minor factor as well.

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    Additionally, Vader has an "OH S*%^!" factor that goes to 11. Most of the Jedi Masters could do what he does, but only he does so in a way that makes most of the rebels run away screaming -- instead of turning around and shooting at him until he dies.
    – user40790
    Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 15:43
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    One point though in the comics (canon) there is seemingly a scene where vader IS surrounded by rebels.....armed with blasters and even anti tank weapons...........and HE tells them to lie down their weapons or die.....and they do the later
    – Thomas
    Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 17:31
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    @DVK-in-exile - Canon, the novelization is not.
    – Adamant
    Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 17:53
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    @Thomas: Yes. He was a badass, and had a reputation. Sure, there was a chance for the Rebels to take him down, but they were also in a bad tactical situation - close-quarters is no place to use anti-material weaponry, when you surround a target your backstop (if you miss) is your buddies, and Vader had enough of a rep that even if they were sure they could take him down, the knew they'd take hideous losses. He bluffed(ish) and it worked.
    – Jeff
    Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 18:17
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    I'm pretty sure I also read that the clone troopers lacked malice when attacking, causing it to be difficult to sense their intent prior to the attack, as a side effect of the indoctrination required to make them act on order 66. The Jedi thus couldn't sense a warning prior to a surprise attack as they usually would. However, I can't recall where I had read this.
    – dsollen
    Commented Jan 9, 2017 at 20:39
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In ESB, Han Solo (who shoots first, BTW) shoots Vader 5 times and he just fends the blasts off with the palms of his hands. His suit must therefore be armored against blasters.

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    Wellll, unless he’s using the Force. Regardless, can you provide some evidence that he’s not using the Force here?
    – Adamant
    Commented Jan 10, 2017 at 5:16
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    According to the Legends book "I, Jedi", Vader used the Force to defend himself against these bolts, not his armor. Luke Skywalker thinks he used Force Absorb, but it's also possible he used Force Deflection. Source: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_deflection#Notable_uses
    – Nzall
    Commented Jan 10, 2017 at 10:43
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    His suit is armored, but he was absorbing the blaster's through the force. You get an upvote for standing up to the non-canon canon. Commented Jan 10, 2017 at 15:33
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    I'm so fed up with this "Han shot first" crap. Anyone who's seen the original cut knows the truth -- Greebo never got a shot off. Han was the only one to shoot... ;-)
    – DevSolar
    Commented Jan 10, 2017 at 16:09
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