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Are there in universe references to technologies utilized in the Star Trek TNG series that were discovered during Star Trek TOS? For instance, android tech? Norman 1 from the "I, Mudd" episode should have been a treasure trove of data.

Norman Spock gathering data?

Data

Norman X?

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    How do your pictures relate to the question? Especially the one of Data? – bitmask Apr 27 '12 at 2:35
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    Data has an extensive backstory and Norman is nowhere in it. But I don't know if there are other examples of TOS discoveries being mentioned in TNG. – Daniel Bingham Apr 27 '12 at 2:37
  • @DanielBingham Methinks Dr. Noonian Soong could have learned a few things... – Major Stackings Apr 27 '12 at 2:43
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    @bitmask Kirks crew ended up with the android technology at the end of "I, Mudd". Did any of that data get incorporated into Data? What else did they find out there that was expounded on in TNG? The pictures were used as an example of the tech Kirk came across during his mission, and what it may have lead to in TNG.. – Major Stackings Apr 27 '12 at 2:55
  • This is one way that TNG screwed up. Certainly with Data's ignorance concerning prior artificial beings. How could he be clueless about Nomad, Ruk, and the rest? – Ham Sandwich Jan 11 '17 at 20:16
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No, there is no sign of any of the technologies that Kirk discovered on his legendary voyages. These missing technologies are the elephant in the room in any discussion of post-Kirk Star Trek. Consider that V'ger was at least the eleventh machine intelligence Kirk encountered. Others include:

  1. Norman and his cohort -- I, Mudd
  2. M5 -- The Ultimate Computer
  3. Vaal -- The Apple
  4. Roger Corby's androids -- What Are Little Girls Made Of?
  5. Nomad -- The Changeling
  6. Landru -- The Return of the Archons
  7. The Oracle -- For The World Is Hollow and I Have Touched The Sky
  8. Losira's computer -- That Which Survives
  9. The Guardian of Forever -- The City on the Edge of Forever
  10. Flint's androids -- Requiem For Methuselah

Leaving aside the cybernetics breakthroughs and unlimited time travel possibilities, Kirk also discovered substances that amplify psi abilities (Plato's Stepchildren), accelerate time (Wink of an Eye), and turn crones into beautiful women (Mudd's Women). There was a truth machine (Court Martial). There was the Kelvan technology, including their superfast warp drive and human-to-styrofoam-to-human encoding (By Any Other Name). There was the IQ boosting "Teacher" technology of the Eymorgs (Spock's Brain). Just Flint's bag of tricks --- cybernetics, miniaturization, stasis, instantaneous transport (Requiem For Methuselah) --- could have jump-started whole industries.

If we are to accept that these events are part of the Star Trek canon, then the conspicuous absence of all these technologies in the 24th century Federation must be by design. My favorite pet theory is that there is some sort of technology police like Larry Niven's ARM that quietly squirrels away the dangerous knowledge to keep it from destabilizing society. There is some support for this theory to be found in the Star Trek: Voyager episode "The Omega Directive", where Kirk-era information about warp-destroying omega particles was shown to be suppressed by Starfleet.

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    Ooo.. interesting pet theory. It would make sense too, considering how careful the Federation is already in destabilizing foreign civilizations (granted, perhaps a bit less in the original Star Trek series). – Neil Apr 27 '12 at 10:14
  • The Guardian of Forever is a sentient... thing, so it makes sense that it was never duplicated/experimented on. – Izkata Apr 27 '12 at 22:37
  • The M5 and Nomad were AI that were harmful to humanity in some way, so the general idea is that they put Federation scientists off of AI research for a long time, until Soong managed to independently make Data. – Izkata Apr 27 '12 at 22:41
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    The book Immortal Coil (memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Immortal_Coil) addresses at least some of the AI's. – Stephen Collings Jun 22 '12 at 17:24
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    I find it's significantly more fun to pretend that TOS were Kirk's ludicrously embellished tales of what were, in reality, fairly mundane voyages. It explains everything! – frodoskywalker Jun 4 '15 at 9:21
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During Kirk's era, AI Is A Crapshoot (Often, at least):

  • Nomad wanted to sterilize the planet
  • The M5 stopped following orders and caused the deaths of several hundred officers on the USS Excalibur
  • The androids from What Are Little Girls Made Of? turned on and destroyed their creators because of how illogical they were
  • Landru worked by mind control

More than likely, this turned Federation scientists away from true AI for a long time. Even in the TNG era, Soong created Data and his other androids independently of Starfleet and the Federation. (Besides, in most of these cases, Kirk destroyed the evidence and there was nothing to study.)

There is another possibility, though. It took over two hundred years for Starfleet to start making Holodecks after they first encountered that technology. Some of what Kirk found is probably still in research and development.

  • Holodeck wasn't Kirk it was Archer that first encountered it. – ewanm89 Apr 28 '12 at 10:45
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    @ewanm89 Exactly. And it took over 200 years after Archer encountered it (beginning of TNG-era) before the Federation figured out and put the technology to general usage. Which means some of the technology Kirk discovered could also be taking that long to figure out - and won't show up in general usage for another 100 years after the TNG-era. – Izkata Apr 28 '12 at 12:44
  • There are quite a dew technologies that have evolved between Enterprise and TNG sometime, but not many attributable to Kirk, and that one certainly isn't attributable to Kirk, in fact some Recreation Rooms Kirk era starships had some holographic abilities while not full holodecks. – ewanm89 Apr 28 '12 at 17:32
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    @ewanm89 You seem to be missing the point. TOS takes place between ENT and TNG. It took the span of ENT to TNG for Starfleet to fully adapt one example alien technology. Likewise, they encountered one example of a Transwarp Drive in the ENT era (belonging to the Xindi), but still didn't have their own by the TNG era. The evidence shows that Starfleet/the Federation takes a long time to adapt new technology, at least for general usage, regardless of whether or not Kirk discovered it. – Izkata Apr 29 '12 at 1:05
  • no, you are missing the point that the question specifically asks for technology Kirk found, and the Federation evolves technology at different rates, some quicker than others. – ewanm89 Apr 29 '12 at 10:06
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The android mechanical technology discovered by Kirk in "What Are Little Girls made Of?", "I,Mudd", and "Return to Tomorrow" was probably in Databases and Dr. Soong certainly made use of them. The difference between the androids shown in TOS and Data is in the positronic brain-which Soong tried to perfect with Lore--and failed. He succeeded with Data. He probably reasoned that the human condition is so complex that he decided to give Data the ability to figure it out FOR HIMSELF rather than try to duplicate it. That was the big mistake he made with Lore (similar to the mistake Dr. Daystrom made with M-5. Both M-5 and Lore were flawed--and as as a result-they became psychotic.) As to holodeck technology--THAT came from the Kalandan Computer in "That Which Survives"(what was LEFT of it after being blasted by a phaser!). It was already being used in a couple of years in "The Practical Joker" (and if you accept STAR TREK CONTINUES as canon-in "Pilgrim Of Eternity).

  • This looks more like a comment on the other answers than an answer in its own right. At least, I can't see you clearly answering this specific question. – curiousdannii Jul 28 '14 at 10:38
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According to the theory that most episodes of episodic TV shows happen in alternate universes of their own, separate from the alternate universes of the other episodes, it would be probable that the next generation era shows are not sequels to the episodes where such discoveries were made.

Which TNG era episodes are known to be sequels to TOS era episodes?

Voyager "Flashback" and TNG "Unification" are sequels to The Undiscovered Country but what previous movies and episodes is The Undiscovered Country a sequel to?

Spock says he's been dead before, which probably makes it a sequel to II, III, & IV. In Final Frontier Kirk says he lost a brother but got him back again. So Final Frontier seems to be a sequel to "Operation Annihilate!" and II, III, & IV. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is a sequel to "Space Seed".

In "I, Mudd" Chekov doesn't recognize Harry Mudd, implying Checkov was not aboard soon enough to experiemce or hear about "Mudd's Women". In "The Deadly Years" Chekov's reaction to corbomite implies he was aboard soon enough to experience or hear about "The Corbomite Maneuver". So "The Deadly Years" and "The Corbomite Maneuver" should be in an alternate universe where Chekov came aboard much sooner than in the alternate universe of "Mudd's Women" and "I, Mudd".

Since Chekov and Khan recognize each other in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, "Space Seed" and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan should be in an alternate universe here Chekov joins the crew earlier than in some others, possibly the alternate universe of "The Deadly Years" and "The Corbomite Maneuver".

TNG "The Naked Now" is a sequel to TOS "The Naked Time".

DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations" is a sequel to "Arena" and to "The Trouble with Tribbles" Which mentions the Organian peace Treaty and so seems to be a sequel to "Errand of Mercy".

TNG "Relics" Scotty mentions events in "Wolf in the Fold", "Elaan of Troyius", and "The Naked Time".

So "Encounter at Farpoint" and all later episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY should be sequels to the two pilot shows "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" plus "The Corbomite Maneuver", "Space Seed", "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", "Elaan of Troyius", "Operation Annihilate!", "The Deadly Years", "Errand of Mercy", "The Trouble with Tribbles", "Arena", Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, and Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.

But I don't seen any reason to make TNG, DS9, and VOY sequels to episodes where radical new technologies are discovered that are never developed and used even a century later.

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