Prompted by this question, "Does James Kirk have any named superiors in Star Trek: The Original Series?", and the accepted answer which lists several of Kirk's superiors. A lot of them have the rank commodore.

That caught me by surprise. In TNG and on, the Starfleet captains are seen answering to several admirals, but I can't recall a single commodore. In-universe and out, is there a reason the rank was largely (if not entirely) dropped?

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    Maybe they reached the limit of 64, and couldn't have any more ;) Commented Apr 1, 2017 at 23:03
  • My memory had convinced me that the rank was mentioned by Ben Sisko in The Maquis Pt II when reminiscing with Calvin Huidson about their career plans back at the academy; however a hunt of Chakoteya proves that I misremembered. Commented Apr 2, 2017 at 5:13
  • @TenthJustice Well, they did use it in ST: Picard for "Commodore Oh." Commented May 15, 2020 at 15:24

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As a matter of fact there is one (solitary) mention of a Starfleet commodore in TNG in a scene in TNG: Conspiracy, only viewable with freeze-frame.

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The Star Trek Encyclopedia makes a brief mention that the rank has fallen "into disuse" in the period between TOS and TNG.


Title formerly given to high-ranking Starfleet officers such as those in charge of a starbase. The term commodore, used in the original Star Trek series, has fallen into disuse since Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Out of universe, the removal of this term seems to coincide with (and presumably relate to) the decision by the US Navy to largely cease using the term to describe flag officers.

For the record, the rank also make a brief appearance in TNG: The Enemy when Geordi describes a Romulan as "commodore". It's not clear whether the Romulans have continued to use this rank.

LAFORGE: You really believe that stuff, don't you, Commodore?

BOCHRA: You may address me as Centurion Bochra.

TNG: The Enemy

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    Related; Why does Geordi keep calling the Romulan officer “Commodore”?
    – Valorum
    Commented Mar 31, 2017 at 22:22
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    May I ask how you found that freeze-frame?
    – Hatshepsut
    Commented Mar 31, 2017 at 23:24
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    @Hatshepsut - Memory Alpha mentioned that you could see the word "commodore" on one of the screens. I dug out my copy of the episode on bluray and went through them one by one until I found it. There's only about 30 seconds of footage of Data reading so it wasn't especially onerous
    – Valorum
    Commented Mar 31, 2017 at 23:39
  • I upvoted this mostly for the US Navy link: interesting, I didn't know that history.
    – Wildcard
    Commented Apr 1, 2017 at 0:59
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    At the time TOS was made the US Navy hadn't used the rank of commodore for some time. In 1982 during the Reagan administration commodore was reactivated - but due to complaints from the Navy it was deactivated about a year-and-a-half later and all commodores of record were promoted to Rear Admiral (lower half) (RDML). Nowadays in the US Navy "commodore" is a courtesy title for a senior captain holding major operational commands such as destroyer squadrons, submarine squadrons, special warfare groups, etc. Commented Apr 2, 2017 at 0:02

This is an out-of-universe educated guess. Long story short: because the US navy stopped using it and Starfleet is modeled on the US Navy.

Commodore is usually not a rank. Commodore is a title temporary bestowed upon a commanding officer who finds themselves leading a flotilla of ships. Each of those ships has their own commander with their own rank that might be equal or even higher. For example, a Captain leading a bunch of Captains, or even a Lieutenant leading a bunch of Commanders. To resolve any disputes, the flotilla leader was given the designation "Commodore" that unquestionably placed them above the other commanders in the flotilla and allowed them to fly the Broad pennant (distinct from an Admiral's flag).

As a real rank in the US navy it has come in and out of favor. During the US Civil War it was a rank, then out again in 1899 when it became Rear Admiral because the US felt its Commodores weren't being given the respect due to their flag rank by other navies.

Then WWII happens and suddenly the Navy has a lot of fleets needing a lot of Commodores, but they don't want a glut of Admirals once peacetime is over; once an Admiral, always an Admiral. So Commodore comes back as a US Navy rank. By 1950, the rank of Commodore is all but retired.

Aside from a brief and controversial revival in the early 1980s and some inter-service squabbling, the US navy has not had a rank of Commodore. Instead it's reverted to the title given to a flotilla commander. Other nations navies maintain the rank of Commodore, particularly the Royal Navy and its derivatives, but Star Trek is a US show.

The writers of TOS were drawing on WWII experience, when the US Navy had Commodores. While the writers of TNG were drawing on post-WWII experience, when the US Navy did not have Commodores. Commodore also sounds a bit quaint for a futuristic sci-fi show.

There's also the issue of simplifying the ranks for the audience. While much of the viewing audience might know about the basic ranks like Ensign, Lieutenant, Commander, Captain, and Admiral, they might struggle to properly place a Commodore.

Again, this is an out-of-universe educated guess.

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    +1 for the US naval history lesson. Also for reminding us how StarFleet is modeled after real armed forces and shouldn't be mistaken for something civilian.
    – einpoklum
    Commented Apr 1, 2017 at 20:06
  • Even when TNG would have the option of using Commodore (such as in Redemption II when Picard is operating a fleet of ships, even going so far as to assign members of his crew to those ships), Picard just acts as a "de facto" Admiral and nobody complains. Considering the writer's climate of TNG, I think it may be possible than "Starfleet is too awesome to squabble over who's in charge so we don't need a special rank or title" was the operating thought.
    – Zoey Green
    Commented Apr 1, 2017 at 22:22
  • @Einpoklum - Many organisations are modelled along military lines. That doesn't make them military.
    – Valorum
    Commented Apr 2, 2017 at 6:51
  • @ZoeyBoles - People tend to defer to Picard in group situations. He seems to be 'Senior Captain' in reputation, if not in rank.
    – Valorum
    Commented Apr 2, 2017 at 7:07
  • @Valorum I'd say that any group that goes around in starships containing terawatts of energy projection capabilities, who wear uniforms, have ranks, carry sidearms almost everywhere, who choose the "courts martial" system of justice... is a military organization. The US Navy does science and diplomacy too.
    – Zoey Green
    Commented Apr 2, 2017 at 7:48

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