In The Expanse they show New York and also the Statue of Liberty.

I know it's on an island, in the show there is a wall around it.

How high did the water rise? I think it’s more than 15 meters (45 feet), based on this map.

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I'm not too sure how high the water has risen in the show, although your estimate looks reasonable. There are some additional shots from the tenth episode in season 2, "Cascade", that give you a look at the ocean and the city, but I couldn't draw any conclusions from it. Take a look yourself.

In the books, we also don't know too much, but we have this description of the city of Baltimore in The Churn:

Sparrow Island stood out in the waves like a widow watching the sea for a ship that would never come home, and Federal Hill scowled back at the city across shallow, filthy water, emperor of its own abandoned land.

From this, it sounds like Federal Hill is an island or peninsula of at least some size. And presumably, "Sparrow Island" is the future Sparrows Point.

Using the (very cool) website you linked to, something around 9 meters looks reasonable. That makes Federal Hill a peninsula, and there are enough small scatterings of Sparrows Point to count as islands. The next level up, 13 meters, makes Sparrows Point all but disappear, but the book does call it an "island" singular, so maybe it is between 13 and 9 meters, closer to 13.

(There might be some more scenes in Nemesis Games that can help pin it down, I don't recall, but there's some other stuff going on in that book that could make the measurement a bit harder.)

At any rate, somewhere around 9 and 13 meters looks about right for the books, which is not too far off from your estimate from the show's opening cinematic.

  • It might be higher still. In season 5, we see Florida is gone. according to that map OP provided, most of Florida would be gone at 20-30+ meters
    – MPelletier
    Commented Apr 9, 2021 at 15:32
  • Federal Hill (the hill/park, not the neighborhood) is 14 meters above sea level according to this site. And you probably mean former Sparrows Point?
    – Spencer
    Commented Dec 9, 2021 at 22:42

I played around with this, in the season 5 intro, Norfolk is still there. After 7-13m sea rise it should have been flooded. The context here was extensive sea walls were built throughout the heavily populated economic centers around the planet. With 7-13m sea rise, the majority of Florida would still exist. With 30m sea rise, the majority of the peninsula is flooded. Accurate with the season 6,4, and 3 Floridas shown.

Season 5 showed us the amount of water that entered into NYC, along with a map. Based on the model it's about the same - 30m.

It's strongly suggested that throughout the 300 years of climate change wealthier government's funded these large engineering endeavors but unfortunately couldn't protect all of the coasts.

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    Hi, welcome to SF&F. I'm afraid I'm a bit confused. You start talking about a 7-13m sea level rise, but don't say where that number is coming from, and you also seem to be saying that it can't be that much. Then suddenly you're talking about a 30m rise, which is much more drastic and seem to be saying that isn't what Florida shows but is what NYC shows? Can you please clarify what you think the depicted rise is, and what that's based on?
    – DavidW
    Commented Dec 9, 2021 at 20:47
  • You might want to specify whether you mean Norfolk, VA, or the county of Norfolk, UK. Commented Jan 15, 2022 at 14:24

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