In the Silmarillion it is said about the Battle of Dagorlad:

All living things were divided that day, and some of every kind, even of beasts and birds, were found in either host, save the Elves only.

That implies that even some Ents fought for Sauron, and some orcs fought for the Last Alliance. Is that true, or am I missing something?


You're reading too far into it. The Ents were spirits of good and wouldn't have fought for Sauron, similarly Orcs have spirits of evil and wouldn't have fought for the Last Alliance.

Let's nitpick the quote.

All living things were divided that day, and some of every kind

Tolkien seems to be using what's commonly called "A figure of speech". Every living thing may have been divided, but whether or not every living thing was at the battle is questionable. They may have been divided but not present.

even of beasts and birds

Ents seem to exempt from this being neither beast nor birds.

were found in either host, save the Elves only.

This seems to be suggesting they were fighting on either side, but again I think Tolkien is using an exaggeration to increase the "impressiveness" of the battle.

  • Although then again Treebeard was originally in league with the Enemy and even held Gandalf captive. Though at this point he wasn't an Ent but a Stone Giant. But I agree with you. Orcs fighting for the Last Alliance? I don't think so. And Ents fighting for Sauron? I think the OP is reading too much into it as well. – Pryftan Jul 17 '17 at 1:07
  • Treebeard was a stone giant? – TGnat Jul 17 '17 at 1:31
  • Nope. Treebeard was always an Ent, created at the same time all other Ents were, before the creation of the stars. – DisturbedNeo Jul 17 '17 at 9:56
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    As for the question / this answer, Ents and Eagles were both created at the behest of Yavanna to defend trees and animals respectively from all the races of Middle-Earth. Given that the forces of evil are only capable of mocking or destroying life, not creating it, I find it highly unlikely that any Ent or Eagle would have fought for them. At best, they would have stayed out of it, as they did in response to Saruman until they discovered how he had butchered the forest to fuel his industry. – DisturbedNeo Jul 17 '17 at 9:58
  • @TGnat Treebeard as a stone giant was little more than a footnote or an entry in a draft outline of LotR, much in the same way Aragorn was originally a Hobbit named Trotter. – chepner Jul 17 '17 at 22:02

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