In Season 7 of Game of Thrones, episodes 5 and 6, we see:

Jon going north beyond the Wall, on a mission to secure a 'live' wight they can then bring back to Kings' Landing.

It's really not clear to me how this mission had any merit to begin with:

  1. Even if they succeed, there's no reason for anyone in Kings' Landing to believe that there is more than one such specimen, or that White Walkers exist, or that the wall won't stop them.

  2. Even if the south is convinced that the army of the dead poses a threat to them, It seems unlikely that Cersei will suddenly abdicate. It's not as if she has the common people's support now, so it's unclear what is to be gained.

  3. Jon already knows that wights don't travel alone, does he really think it's likely he'll just pick one up and escape without some miraculous outside assistance?

All in all, the entire plot seems rather hare-brained at best:

What's the in-universe reason for all characters simply going along with it?

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    You've answered your own question. "* on a mission to secure a "live" wight they can then bring back to Kings' Landing.*" For how they think it will play out. They think they'll sign a peace treaty and fight in the north together before they get back to it. It's strange but GRRM is old.
    – Edlothiad
    Aug 22, 2017 at 18:16
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    And 4. There isn't anything they particularly even want from Cersei... Her armies and fleet wouldn't be terribly useful even if they did think there was a cat in hell's chance of her marching North - and they've said they don't. They could ask her to please kindly not take Dragonstone or Winterfell while they all head North but they'd have no reason to trust her if she agreed - and they've said they wouldn't. There's the "will they turn Jaime against Cersei?" theory but Jon merely knows Jaime as that smarmy guy who mocked him and the Night's Watch in season 1 Aug 22, 2017 at 18:39
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    I'm not sold on point 1 at all. A real actual wight would go a long way in convincing anyone that the stories are true. As for the rest, I think they are taking that chance because their options are pretty limited.
    – Misha R
    Aug 23, 2017 at 4:37

3 Answers 3

  1. You have to remember at this point everyone south of the all thinks the undead are a myth - bringing one would help shatter that illusion. Imagine someone coming to you, claiming that there is an army of the undead marching south. You don't think the undead are real - do you believe it? Now, they show up with one wight and further make this claim; suddenly you find yourself much more inclined to listen.

  2. Jon's goal of going to King's Landing with a wight isn't to have Cersei abdicate, but rather negotiate a cessation of hostilities so they may join forces to face a more grievous threat. Once the Night King and his army are dispatched, they can resume their petty bickering.

  3. As for why everyone goes along with Jon's idea, Jon is King of the North. When your king decides to do something, you do it.

  • Point 3. No he isn't. He's Warden of the North now. The North just doesn't know yet ;P
    – Edlothiad
    Aug 22, 2017 at 18:28
  • Well, yeah. That was my point. As far as they know, he's King of the North. Aug 22, 2017 at 18:29
  • Just checking :)
    – Edlothiad
    Aug 22, 2017 at 18:41
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    1. You explained why it wouldn't convince you, but then asked for in-universe answers. You don't live in Westeros, I take it? 2. There aren't? I must be watching a different show! Allies of Dany have been killed, a portion of the Lannister army burnt by a dragon, Dany's fleet sunk. Casterly Rock taken. 3. She didn't go with. She let Jon go on his "fool's errand" and only came to his rescue after a raven was sent explaining their dire situation. Aug 22, 2017 at 19:56
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    Even more so regarding point 1, the undead are a well-known myth. Everyone knows about the legend of the previous apocalypse, they just don't believe it's real. When someone comes and shows you that it's real, you know from the stories that it's a big deal.
    – Samthere
    Aug 23, 2017 at 12:05

Granted, it's a silly idea, Dany even says so to Tyrion in the Beyond the Wall episode, yet the point of doing this seems to be:

It's not just a dead-man-walking, it's a dead-man-walking from Beyond the Wall

The whole point is to show to people that there is a real threat from the North, and not just to the North. Jon is trying to inspire people to realise that their very lives are at stake, not just their homes or moneys. The Night King will come for them all; he's an enemy of life itself.

This one's important, and it reconciles the fact that out-of-universe, we know Cersei already has unGregor (undead Gregor), and in fact, there may be some in-universe who realise this as well. So showing the undead from the North, will prove to people that the threat exists, and it adds to his and Dany's credibility.

It's not just for Cersei, it's for the Kingdom

By showing the people of the kingdom that they are protecting them, when Cersei is merely hoarding power will get the population to truly believe in Daenerys.

He's essentially doing what Stannis thought; to:

save the kingdom to win the throne.
-A Song of Ice and Fire: Book Three: A Storm of Swords, Chapter Seventy-Six (Jon XI).

It's not just for the Kingdom, it's for Dany

Jon is there to prove to Dany, not just the threat, but his loyalty too. He's willing to risk his life to show that this isn't a joke. Their petty squabbles no matter how serious or important, are nothing compared to the War for Dawn.


Actually, the whole expedition was almost useless on its face value, it was silly and dangerous but has had many side effects. The first is that now Danny believes Jon and now they will fight together with a clear understanding of the most urgent threats. The second most important result of this expedition is that the Undead King now has an undead dragon. Storywise, this means Danny is vulnerable again. Finally, the living have realized that is no way to destroy the undead unless the Undead King is destroyed. He will keep on raising more dead otherwise. The good thing is destroying the UK is probably going to destroy the whole undead army in one go.

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    The question asked what Jon hoped to gain. Are you saying this is what he hoped to gain, or is this just a comment?
    – Blackwood
    Aug 23, 2017 at 1:14
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    He’s called the Night King, not the Undead King. Aug 23, 2017 at 15:54

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