In Deathly Hallows Snape and Ron both independently find Harry and Hermione in the Forest of Dean.

Ron found them by using the Deluminator which guided him to them.

Snape found them after getting a tip-off from Phineas Nigellus.

Both of them were operating on Dumbledore's orders and using the means of finding Harry that Dumbledore had given them. Both of them were trying to find Harry in the forest, without being sure where exactly he was. Both of them were wandering around the forest at the same time that night. But, as I said, they arrived separately and each had their own indepedent means of knowing where Harry was.

We can be sure that Ron didn't know that Snape was there (since he was as clueless about who cast the doe Patronus as Harry is). But did Snape know that Ron was in the same forest seeking the same quarry?

He may have guessed that Ron was travelling with Harry and Hermione - I don't mean knowledge in that sense. I mean a knowledge that Ron was no longer in the tent with Harry and Hermione and was travelling around the forest on his own.

Did Snape know where Ron was, according to that definition? It would've been pretty awkward if they'd bumped into one another...

  • Most likely, it wasn’t Dumbledore’s direct orders, but orders that he indirectly gave through his Deluminator.
    – user112267
    Commented Apr 23, 2019 at 19:40

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Most likely, no...

The only reason Snape found out that Hermione and Harry were in the Forest of Dean was because Phineas Nigellus told him after the latter’s portrait heard it through Hermione’s bag.

And now Snape stood again in the headmaster’s study as Phineas Nigellus came hurrying into his portrait.

“Headmaster! They are camping in the Forest of Dean! The Mudblood-”

“Do not use that word!”

“- the Granger girl, then, mentioned the place as she opened her bag and I heard her!”

- Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

Therefore, it seems unlikely that Snape heard of Ron also being in the forest. He had no source to confirm that to be true, so he couldn’t possibly have known. Most likely, he assumed that Ron was with the rest of the Horcrux-hunting party (Harry and Hermione).

One could argue that Snape must have known that Ron was also in the Forest of Dean and that’s why he placed the Patronus there (so that Ron could show Harry to the iced pond). However, this is incorrect because the silver doe appeared close enough to Harry that he was able to see it and needed no assistance in getting to the pond. It is almost certainly pure coincidence that Harry needed saving (and only because he didn’t think before jumping in).

So...are conclusive answers possible? No. But we can make a pretty good guess based on the information the book gave us. Most likely, Snape had no knowledge of Ron being in the Forest of Dean, but being separate from the rest of the group.


It is not explained anywhere in the book. I have just read that part again to confirm. See below:

And now Snape stood again in the headmaster’s study as Phineas Nigellus came hurrying into his portrait.
“Headmaster! They are camping in the Forest of Dean! The Mudblood-”
“Do not use that word!”
“- the Granger girl, then, mentioned the place as she opened her bag and I heard her!”
“Good. Very good!” cried the portrait of Dumbledore behind the headmaster’s chair. “Now, Severus, the sword! Do not forget that it must be taken under conditions of need and valor – and he must not know that you give it! If Voldemort should read Harry’s mind and see you acting for him-”
“I know,” said Snape curtly. He approached the portrait of Dumbledore and pulled at its side. It swung forward, revealing a hidden cavity behind it from which he took the sword of Gryffindor. “And you still aren’t going to tell me why it’s so important to give Potter the sword?” said Snape as he swung a travelling cloak over his robes.
“No, I don’t think so,” said Dumbledore’s portrait. “He will know what to do with it. And Severus, be very careful, they may not take kindly to your appearance after George Weasley’s mishap-”
Snape turned at the door. “Don’t worry, Dumbledore,” he said coolly. “I have a plan...”

Now this is just a guess but I don't think Snape knew that Ron was wandering nearby when he went to Forest of Dean. He might have seen and heard Ron in the forest when he was already there but I don't think so. J.K. Rowling is sucker for details and something like knowing and then using that fact that Ron was nearby and would be able to help Harry out of the pond would be in the book.

On the other hand that just might be what happened and it was left as untold and for us to piece together.

Either way it is written nowhere in canon.


I think Snape was aware of Ron's presence. After all, Ron saw the Patronus and Harry following it which would mean he was close enough for Snape to notice.
Further, Snape would have arrived much earlier in the forest. He left Hogwarts when Phineas informed him. At that time, Harry and Hermione had just reached the forest. They setup wards, erected the tent, had dinner and turned in for the night before the appearance of the patronus. Snape would have waited and watched all the while to get Harry alone for the handover of the sword.
During his wait, being the powerful wizard he is, he would have identified any being, magical or otherwise around him - especially someone fumbling around like Ron would be. Snape would thus have actively avoided bumping into Ron.

  • Do you have a source for this or is it just speculation?
    – amflare
    Commented Nov 21, 2017 at 16:15
  • This is speculation based on the timelines in the book. No source. Commented Jan 29, 2018 at 12:40

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