So what bugs me is this:
1. there are hints that communication between Jefri and Ravna stops just as the OOB enters the slow zone.
2. the event of 1. happens several days after the OOB flees RIP
3. this whole time the three pursuing fleets (Alliance, Sjandra Kei Commercial Security and the silent fleet of the Blight) are dangerously "near"
4. when the OOB establishes contact with the Olvira they are using heavy encryption (I assume they are not when communicating with Jefri)
5. there are hints in the text that this communication link could be intercepted anyways

So how come not one of the pursuing ships picks up the messages sent from Tines World to the OOB and no one on board is ever worried about that?

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    – DampeS8N
    May 31, 2012 at 18:46
  • @DampleS8N that's all that I can't figure for the time being :) Otherwise the book is quiet well structured and the reasoning is mostly easily followed.
    – ingenious
    Jun 1, 2012 at 8:26

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There are some clues.

... The Straumers had a backup plan if the rendezvous failed. They intended to signal Relay with their ship's ultrawave.

"Now wait. Just how big is this ship?" Ravna was no physical-layer engineer, but she knew that Relay's backbone tranceivers were actually swarms of antenna elements scattered across several light-years, each element ten-thousand kilometers across.

Blueshell rolled forward and back, a quick gesture of agitation. "We don't know, but it's nothing exceptional. Unless you're looking precisely at it with a large antenna, you'd never detect it from here."

Relay devotes an entire transceiver to searching for Jefri's signal, and although I can't find a reference I got the impression it took a while to find even with those resources.

RIP seems to only be a tenth of the distance from the Tines' world as Relay is, but the OOB has a technical advantage the other fleets likely lack:

Right now the Out of Band II was in the Vrinimi yards getting bottom-lugger enhancements and a huge stock of antenna drones. In one stroke the OOB's value was increased ten-thousand-fold.

Even then, it's no picnic:

Some days, no communication was possible. Other days, when the OOB antenna swarm was tuned in exactly the right direction and when the vagaries of the zone favored it—then Ravna could hear his ship.

I also think it's worth noting that I don't see that any of the fleets have anything to gain by intercepting or even corrupting communications between Jefri and the OOB.

So, I think there are three reasons not to be concerned about the fleets intercepting Jefri's messages:

  1. The fleets are likely unaware that the messages even exist, and almost certainly don't have the information necessary to aim their antennas sufficiently.
  2. The fleets also probably don't have sufficient antennas to receive the messages even if they were looking in the right place.
  3. The fleets have nothing to gain by intercepting the messages anyway.

(Also, you didn't specifically ask about this, but I think it's worth mentioning: Ultrawave is described as "directional", which probably means that the fleets pursuing the OOB would be unable to receive the messages sent from the OOB to the Tines' world.)

  • it's been a while and I seem to have forgotten quite a bit. But iirc the pursuing fleet was (to a point) controlled by the perversion, i.e. they were interested to intercept any communications to or from the OOB. Also no matter how many antenna drones the OOB had, I'd assume a whole fleet of ships would have at least as much.
    – ingenious
    Feb 7, 2013 at 10:14
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    The Blight fleet is controlled by / allied with the perversion, although Pham notes "Its creatures down here are like badly- synched waldoes." It did try to use the OOB's comm system to take over the skrodes, and succeeded in taking over skrodes in the Aniara fleet. But overall the Blight doesn't seem interested in talking to individual humans. Its purpose down there seems to be to destroy Countermeasure, and it knows it can't sweet-talk the humans into doing so. Feb 8, 2013 at 23:20
  • I was also under the impression (though I could be wrong) that the number of antenna drones on the OOB was vastly more than an ordinary ship would normally carry (due to their special mission), and I wouldn't think it inconceivable that it be more than a "fleet" would have. It is noted that the Blighter fleet seems to be constructed out of whatever was on-hand. I could also speculate that the majority of the Blighter fleet's communication capacity was occupied by communicating with the Blight itself. But I really think the main thing is that the Blight doesn't consider Jefri significant. Feb 8, 2013 at 23:23

It's going to be hard to give a good answer because the author never gives us much by way of detail on how the FTL communications work. The characters just take it for granted rather the way people here-n-now take radio, television, satellite feeds, cell phones, direction microwave comm-links, etc for granted (notice how the technologies I list are all "radio" based, but have very different details).

We know that FTL flight generates detectible signals in the FTL communication band, and we know that the communications system is not heavily disrupted by those signals, which leaves open the possibility that the FTL comm system is tunable or even that it uses frequency hopping or ultra-broadband. That gives us the possibility that the pursuers know that there is communication going on but not the contents.

On a similar note, we also don't know what type of cryptographic system might be in use (we do know that public key crypto is not generally safe in the Beyond).

[pure, unsupported speculation] Jefri was in communication with Relay for a long time before the flight began, so they could conceivable have established a key schedule then (when no one else was looking and it would have taken a Relay-like reciver array to eavesdrop). Indeed, the lander's automation could have done it without human or tine intervention, though this could be a bit of a stretch so close to the Slowness.

  • I thought there might be some more details on (ultrawave) comm in the other books by Vernon (or maybe somewhere burried deep in the notes in the annotated edition). Apart from all that your speculation seems quite plausible. Thanks for the answer :)
    – ingenious
    Jun 3, 2012 at 9:56
  • @ingenious None from A Deepness in the Sky of course because it takes place in the Slowness, and I don't recall anything relevant from either "The Blabber" or Children of the Sky (which occurs in the Slow Zone for all but a couple of brief moments). Jun 4, 2012 at 3:38

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