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In Avengers: Infinity War:

Thor's new weapon Stormbreaker was thrown by Thor and Thanos was not able to stop it and it pierced him in the chest.

With all the Infinity Stones obtained, how could he not block or deflect this weapon? As far as I know the same material made the hammer which Hela easily stopped and crushed to pieces.

I cannot make sense of this, can someone enlighten me please. The only thing I want to know is why Thanos got hit when he had all stones in the gauntlet.

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    The "worthy" aspect is specific to Mjolnir (Thor's hammer) and not Stormbreaker (axe). Also, that enchantment wore off Mjolnir when Odin died. As for Thanos not being able to stop Thor's assault, Stormbreaker is significantly more powerful than Mjolnir (i.e., when Thor fought Hela). This is partly because Stormbreaker can be used two-handed. That's about all I can offer.. – Charles May 1 '18 at 0:02
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    I think it's because as powerful as the stones are, Thanos is kind of bad at using them. Where he was able to use the reality stone earlier in the movie to completely disable the guardians, later in the movie he has extended hand to hand combat with Tony and the others where apparently he forgot he could do that. As when he gets the opportunity to use the stones, he ends up just using the power stone to throw some giant rocks instead? – Kai May 1 '18 at 0:06
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    "Whoever holds all six Gems and uses them in concert gains omnipotence and omniscience." It looked like he was just using the power stone to try and block. "What did you do!?!" Thor asks, once we see the gauntlet all tore up looking, after the 'dream' sequence. My guess is that he finally used all six gems in concert. Ignorance being bliss and knowledge a burden, that's why he'll "lose" in the sequel, as he secretly deems himself unworthy of ultimate power. Spoiler alert: part two will end with a deus ex machina :\ – Mazura May 1 '18 at 0:36
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    This post has too many questions in one. Please limit the scope. – Möoz May 1 '18 at 6:09
  • Thanos can block the attach only if he sees it coming and at that specific time, he was somewhat occupied with the whole "I-gathered-all-Six-Stones" thing. – Lefteris008 May 1 '18 at 6:59
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I'd say this was mainly due to the element of surprise, and a bit of disbelief.

At this point in the film, Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe, and he'd already made sure no one could forge a weapon to destroy him (by killing all the dwarves but one and extinguishing their forge). To Thanos, Thor is just another minor annoyance to swat away before completing his ultimate plan. By the time he realizes that Stormbreaker is no ordinary axe, it's too late to change tactics.

Thanos doesn't seem to be the smartest villain in the MCU, nor the fastest. There's no Infinity Stone that increases reflexes, or makes you smarter.

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    Great answer! (Though actually I think the mind stone might actually make people smarter not 100% on that) – Ummdustry May 1 '18 at 17:33
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    @Ummdustry hmm, maybe. So far, the Mind Stone has been shown to control other people's minds, give superpowers to otherwise normal people, create sentient artificial intelligence, and shoot lasers. So I guess it's within the realm of possibility that it also makes you smarter, but since I don't recall seeing it actually do that I'd like to think that it can't (because really, it's already super versatile). – DaaaahWhoosh May 1 '18 at 18:56
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    Actually, Thanos is very intelligent. And he's fast when he wants to be – White Prime May 13 '18 at 21:40
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    This is so wrong. Thanos is extremely smart (he tells it himself), and he is fast as hell. Plus once he wear the infinity gauntlet with all the gems on it he becomes God. Can you think of anything smarter than an omniscient being? Oh, and by becoming a god he becomes invulnerable too. There's no way a puny axe could hurt him, unless he wanted so. – motoDrizzt Jun 27 '18 at 7:46
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    @motoDrizzt He becomes near omnipotent, not omniscient or omnipresent, so not what one would traditionally call a god. He also doesn’t seem to become invulnerable, as that axe goes right into his chest. – Paul D. Waite Aug 20 '18 at 21:54
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Just because the two weapons are made of the same material doesn't mean they are of equal strength/power, especially in the Marvel universe. Different techniques in their design, creation, and enchantments, all seem to play a part in the ultimate power of the weapon. Thor and the one who forged the weapon are both convinced this is the most powerful weapon they've ever created, so it stands to reason that we shouldn't compare them on a simple material level.

We also need to consider that Thor had disadvantages in both fights with Hela. In the beginning, he had the power of the hammer, but lacked a true understanding of his own power. In the end, he understood his one power, but lacked a weapon with which to channel that power through. This also fits in that in the beginning of Avengers: Infinity War:

He still has that power, but no sufficient weapon, and thus loses easily to Thanos and his servants. But come the end of the movie, he has both his powers and a great weapon to focus it through, and comes out a much greater threat.

In regard to that specific hit you're questioning:

The implication does seem to be that Stormbreaker combined with Thor's powers are indeed formidable enough to stand up to the power of the infinity stones, at least to some degree. Considering individual stones are capable of being destroyed from a variety of "non-infinitely powerful" means, I think it's safer to consider the stones as sources of incredible power rather than omnipotent power. That is to say, they are incredibly powerful, but not "all powerful", and can be overcome to at least an extent given other sufficiently powerful forces.

Also:

The stones, like any other weapon, are only as powerful as how they're used. If Thanos' goal was just using them for their unfocused power to stop Stormbreaker, and it overcame that, then that's one thing. If he had used the stones to cause the axe to unexist, or reverse time on it, would that have had an effect? Maybe, maybe not. All we know is that however he chose to act against it, it was at least more powerful than that, and thus he was hit.

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    I am more satisfied with this explanation but as far as the movie is concerned, I don't remember seeing any enchantment on Stormbreaker and Scarlet Witch was able to destroy the stone was because her power is made of the same thing, like diamond cutting diamond – Huangism May 1 '18 at 16:39
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    @Huangism The explanation they gave for her was that because her power derived from the stone, it should be able to break it. My point in referring to that is not about what can break a stone, but to highlight that they are not truly as "all-powerful" as they are often considered. They do have weaknesses in their power. I don't know if Stormbreaker could destroy them, but I do know from the scene that it was capable of overpowering them, even if just for a moment, enough to make that hit. So given that they have other weaknesses, this explains how it might have managed to break through. – Mwr247 May 1 '18 at 16:48
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    1 ) A nail and a hammer can be of the same material - but that nail won't stand a chance... 2) I believe, that the visions of Odin, that Thor gets, is a symbolism to Thor achieving some of the Odin-Force - thereby not only having a stronger weapon, but also is stronger himself. – Stender Dec 19 '18 at 11:09
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The Stones are omnipotent, but the Gauntlet is not. He wasn’t using the full power of the Stones because doing so would mean damaging the Gauntlet beyond usage, thus preventing him from doing The Snap. Notice at the end that the Gauntlet looked burnt and beaten up after The Snap, thus showing that the Gauntlet cannot handle the full power of the Stones.

Let’s not forget that the Infinity Gauntlet is the latest iteration in a recurring theme in the MCU: the Infinity Stones need to be harnessed through a medium or device in order to remain safe and usable; the cube the Space Stone was in, the Aether containing the Reality Stone, the ball that had the Power Stone in it, the Eye of Agamotto containing the Time Stone, and the Mind Stone in Vision (who has a Vibranium body). As revealed in the first Guardians movies, you pretty much need to be a god to even touch a single one of them.

Thus the whole reason why the Gauntlet was made at all was because Thanos needed a weapon capable of harnessing the power of the Stones (this is why he forced the dwarves to make it for him). Once that full power was actually used, the Gauntlet became heavily damaged, possibly beyond repair or usage.

  • If Thor hit him before The Snap, this is a good point. If not, then the gauntlet should still be at full power then. – Bellatrix Aug 7 '18 at 2:22
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    @Bellatrix - Aaron is saying that Thanos didn't use the full power of the stones to try to stop Stormbreaker, otherwise the Gauntlet would have been all smashed and unusable before The Snap. – Cearon O'Flynn Aug 7 '18 at 9:23
  • Came here to answer this. ScreenRant (and others) have theorized this on youtube and it seems sound. youtube.com/watch?v=Q1cjKRi6CnU – Jeremy Dec 19 '18 at 15:14
  • Professor Hulk shows no particular issues with holding the time stone directly. You might be thinking "that's close enough to a god", but recall that Quinn holds the spirit stone directly. And that's rather less close. – zibadawa timmy May 10 at 3:35
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When the dwarf Eitri was explaining about the weapon, which would be worthy of a king, able to evoke bifrost itself (In the comics, Mijolnir is capable of this and of opening passages to other dimensions and planes), then Thanos was simply ingenuous and not specting for a weapon capable of manipulating elemental forces such as TIME and SPACE, he attempted to defend himself with a burst of energy from the gauntlet, but the axe simply ignored becose it was POWERFUL enough, and this is why he got hit in the chest.

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I personally believe it is because the gauntlet is limited (meaning it can >! put through only a certain amount of power, otherwise it can break). I think so, because when Thanos snapped his fingers, the gauntlet imploded (if memory serves well). So theoretically, he could "overload" the gauntlet only once. This might mean if he put through the gauntlet too much of the stones' power, the gauntlet would break before his finger-snap and the limited amount he could ouput from the gauntlet just was not enough. Which makes sense a bit, since Stormbreaker was said to be the most powerful weapon created, meaning it could have higher threshold than the gauntlet.

But that is just a theory.

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Firstly, Thanos is one of the most powerful beings in the universe, the same with Hela. Thanos is known to possess a superhuman power as Hela with exception of magic. She draws the power directly from Asgard and able to live as long as Asgard lives which made her too powerful with God-like power and able to wield a strong, dark magic: exactly how she is able to stop the hammer and break it to pieces by magic. She is very smart as she can even tell that some of the relics kept in the vault are fake or weak.

However, the closest magic Thanos wield was the infinity stones. It's much powerful when they are together, which can wipe out whoever the holder, Thanos wants, but he's no match for Hela's magic.

Secondly, Hela is prepared to what coming to her when she faced Thor and Thanos didn't. Thus, he can't stop the axe from hitting him. "You should have gotten to the head." That's what he said to Thor. The powerful Stormbreaker able to cut through anything thus only severely injured him as he has a superhuman strength.

He instead, didn't waste any time and finished his own plan, meaning it's worthless for him to use the time stone to go back only so he could shield and break the Stormbreaker. He has a superhuman ability, able to heal himself anyway.

The only reason Mjolnir is only for the one who is worthy is that Odin put a spell ("whosoever holds this hammer, if he is worthy, shall possess the power of Thor") on it after he banished Thor to Earth and threw the hammer away. But I don't think this is relevant as even as such enchantment to be cast on the Stormbreaker, it'll only become heavy and stationery if only the not so worthy touch it, but in this scene, Thor touched the axe as he shoved it deeper to Thanos' chest.

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    Please consider revisiting your question for syntax, spelling and grammar mistakes because I can hardly understand what you are implying at some phrases. – Lefteris008 May 1 '18 at 7:03
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There could be a very specific, smart reason; possible spoilers for the next movie ahead:

In the comics Tanos is powerful. A lot powerful. He's nearly more powerful then most of the currently know beings in his universe, and when he has time to plan ahead he can take down even beings much more powerful than himself. Give him the Infinity Stones, and he is basically unstoppable.

So how did they manage all this power in the comics, in a way that he could be beaten by the heroes? Well...in a very smart way, actually.

The primary source of Tanos' power is his mutation, which is at the same time his biggest motivation and his greatest weakness. Without going too much in details, Tanos' mutation gave him an edge in respect to his peers but at the same time it made him a monster to their eyes, to the point that even his mother tried to kill him when he was a child. The guy has some serious issues of low self esteem, so while he searches for power he subconsciously feels at the same time unworthy of it, and in every occasion he obtains [near] omnipotence his inner doubts make so that in the end he get defeated.

In the movie, since the beginning, he has already a lot of power and could easily defeat every hero he faces, but if you notice he never really uses it. Given that nothing we have seen up to now can defeat him, especially now that he is the second most powerful entity in the entire universe (the first being God), it doesn't sounds unreasonable that the writers could have left that door opened. They even inserted a couple others hints to the comics and the way he was defeated, so...

  • Downvoted because of? – motoDrizzt Jun 25 '18 at 17:48
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    Rampant speculation without any references. – T.J.L. Aug 7 '18 at 13:20
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    @T.J.L. like all the other answers, with the only difference that mine is backed by 60 years of existing comics while the accepted one substantially says "Thanos is a god, but he was distracted"? – motoDrizzt Aug 7 '18 at 13:27
  • You make claims about the contents of the comics, but provide no citations, no references. – T.J.L. Aug 7 '18 at 13:30
  • i like this answer – Dhon Joe Apr 17 at 8:42

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