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Apart from the obvious fact that the Empire wanted to replace clone troopers with human troopers, why would one enlist in the Imperial military? Was the pay good? Did they get good work benefits?

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    Star Wars Propaganda: A History of Persuasive Art in the Galaxy is largely devoted to answering this question. – Valorum Dec 16 '18 at 19:54
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    You might as well ask “Why would anyone enlist in any military organisation?” – TheLethalCarrot Dec 16 '18 at 19:56
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    "Well, the hours are good. But now you come to mention it, most of the actual minutes are pretty lousy. Except some of the shouting I quite like. Resistance is useless!" – Daniel Roseman Dec 16 '18 at 19:56
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    i.stack.imgur.com/AGMhR.png – Valorum Dec 16 '18 at 20:05
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    With droids doing most of the work, unemployment is massive, and the Empire doesn't strike me as an entity offering a lot of unemployment benefits. Joining the army is basically the only option for survival for many. – Klaus Æ. Mogensen Dec 16 '18 at 20:24
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According to Pablo Hidalgo of the Lucasfilm Story Group in this Youtube video the clone troopers were replaced with volunteers who were

fervently patriotic and loyal to the Empire.

Therefore at least some recruits to the Imperial military joined out of patriotism, loyalty to the Empire, and a desire to see the Empire succeed. Others probably joined because the pay and/or benefits were better than the pay they could have received elsewhere, for adventure (e.g. to get off their boring homeworld and travel the galaxy), etc. -- basically, all the reasons anyone in the real world might join a military organization.

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    "to get off their boring homeworld and travel the galaxy" - wasn't this why Luke initially wanted to join the Empire to begin with? – The Dark Lord Dec 17 '18 at 10:47
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    @TheDarkLord Indeed, he wanted to attend the Imperial Academy. – Null Dec 17 '18 at 14:44
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    So your answer is basically the old, old joke ... "travel to interesting places, meet new people, ... and kill them"? – Glen_b Dec 18 '18 at 0:40
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    @Glen_b most military personel never kill anybody, yet get to travel to far away places... Showing the flag, guard duty at embassies, long term deployments to allied countries, you name it. – jwenting Dec 18 '18 at 9:12
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    @jwenting Don't forget that at least half of active US service members aren't combat troops in the first place, they work in the motor pool, logistics, etc. In a mainly spacefaring military, you probably have an even higher percentage of people who serve on ships but during combat would be maintaining the systems and not actually firing any weapons, not to mention all the crews on repair stations and shipyards, the payroll department, legal, etc. – IllusiveBrian Dec 18 '18 at 16:59
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You're looking at this from an outsider perspective, with clearly signposted "Empire = Evil" (especially if you watched the Original Trilogy first)

For the people on the ground, the Galactic Empire isn't an "Evil Replacement" for the Galactic Republic - it's a rebranding.

You have Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, who not only led the Republic to victory over the Separatist Confederacy, but also persuaded several of the systems to re-join the Republic Empire after the war. He did so under Emergency Powers - never abusing those powers (after all, he could just arrange for Count Dooku to make a targeted attack that coincidentally allows him to push his own agenda), but purely using them to cut through Red Tape to ensure that what needed to be done got done in a timely manner. He also let the Senate run largely as it did before Emergency Powers were enacted, listening to their advice - although, as seen in The Clone Wars series, anything that is left purely to the Senate tends to take far too long to be effective. It's for these reasons that the Senate decide it's worth making the arrangement permanent, and reward him with the position of Emperor. (Think of any "4 more years" calls for a popular President to be given an extension on Term Limits - then imagine that 90% of the Population were all calling for it. Such a pity it quickly went from "noble leader with advisory senate" to "evil despot with ignored senate")

Next, you have the Rebels. Well, the Republic Empire just finished fighting the Separatists - these are clearly (read: "not at all") just the more militant members, who refuse to surrender and were giving their peaceful brethren with legitimate grievances (who have since re-joined the Republic Empire) a bad name. We wanted to defend our homes against them before, but the Republic Army was made of Clones to help protect the Citizens from harm. Now that the war is over, Clone production is being ramped down for both Ethical and Economic reasons - so there's an opportunity for all these people who were itching to protect their homes and family to sign up and do so!

The Empire also have control over a lot of the media, so they can choose to paint the Rebels as "bad" and the Empire as "good" - there's a lot of this visible in the Star Wars: Rebels series.

If you want an in-and-out of universe example, go play the old Star Wars: TIE Fighter games - they did a pretty good job of making being a member of the Imperial Navy feel like the "good guy" option, protecting loyal citizens from the terrorist acts of the so-called "Rebels".

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    In the Tie Fighter series, there's actually a campaign where you are doing something even most of the Rebels would approve of, attempting to deescalate racial tensions and warfare among Imperial citizens. – BlackVegetable Dec 17 '18 at 20:58
  • @BlackVegetable - by blowing up their planets..? :-) – Bob Jarvis Dec 18 '18 at 3:31
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    +1 for TiE fighter games. In some missions, you fight local pirates and other criminals. Even though the Imperial leadership was evil, the Imperial navy also policed the galaxy and protected law-abiding citizens. – Jay Dec 18 '18 at 4:19
  • Oh, and in addition to not getting citizens killed, clones were the best way to get competent soldiers quickly (like yesterday - OK now now now). Now that the war is over, the danger is less, and we have more time to train real people. Who said that clones were inexpensive? Maybe they're extremely expensive to maintain! Maybe they get old quickly, and the clone makers aren't available or have raised their prices after the introductory sweet offer? (I forget what happened to them, actually). – Law29 Dec 18 '18 at 19:44
  • @Law29 Not quite: It took 10 years to get a clone from Test Tube to Graduating into the Republic Army. The only reason it was "viable" was because Jedi Master Sifo Dias had a vision of the future, showing the Sith leading the Confederacy of Separatist States against the Galactic Republic, and paid for the Clones himself. (The Phase I Clones fighting at the end of Episode II? They're the same age as Boba Fett is in that film.) By contrast, training up recruited citizens would take less than 2 years. – Chronocidal Dec 21 '18 at 7:35
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This depends on the time frame. Post-original trilogy, a lot of the Stormtroopers were kidnapped as children and raised/brainwashed into it.

We can also get a clue from the mostly-forgettable Solo film, which depicts Han's home world as one of the trope-typical SF worlds in which everyone but the elites lives in squalor. A lot of people in that circumstance would join up because they want to earn some kind of living in a more-or-less legal way.

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    Come for the giant triangles, stay because you're poor af. – Mazura Dec 16 '18 at 23:43
  • Also, from this time frame, the novel Phasma by Delilah S. Dawson, covers this topic quite a bit, kidnapping of children to be raised as Stormtroopers. – Chris O Dec 17 '18 at 14:21
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For troops on Star Destroyers and the Death Star, life was actually pretty good, and most stormtroopers were greatly respected when they went back home from the their tour. Lastly, and most importantly, they did not know that they were evil. They were told that the rebels were terrorists, and joining would help stop the 'terrorists' from bombing their cities and villiages. They got away with this because some of the more violent rebels actually did that. They were not told the awful things that the Empire did.

  • Meh. You want Imperial harmony, you break eggs... – Bob Jarvis Dec 18 '18 at 3:33
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    Some interesting parallels with the real world there. – Steve Smith Dec 18 '18 at 11:48
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The rebels aren't the nice guys, to the average Imperial citizen they are a terrorist group intent on destroying their way of life, upsetting the economy and killing people at random everywhere.

They're the scum of the galaxy, criminals, murderers, smugglers, and the Imperial Navy is hard at work putting them down.

Join up NOW, do your part to defend the Empire against enemies foreign and domestic.

Decent pay, your family looked after in case you lose your life, a fancy uniform that the girls will swoon over, what's not to like about this job?

  • It's hard to swoon over a guy in form-obliteration armor and a bulky helmet, but otherwise +1. – GreySage Dec 18 '18 at 16:26
  • @GreySage that's just their combat fatigues of the storm troopers. The regular duty uniform as displayed by crew in the movies is quite nice. It's no different from the baggy flight suits of US helicopter pilots as compared to their normal uniform. – jwenting Dec 19 '18 at 4:47
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To put it simple as possible, you have 2 sides Good and Evil, both have the power of The Force. Think of the society we live in, and the way the government is in control, well they are the Empire, they have a great following of people who believe that the Emperor is a great person who will give great things for the followers of the Empire, just like our government do and the monarchy.

Now, the Rebels basically consist of freedom fighters who understand that the Empire is an evil force following the evil side of the Force, who wants full control of the galaxy and further the universe and everybody who follows the Empire but really the people are being brainwashed to believe that the Empire is actually a good following, just like our government and monarchy.

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    This is a question and answer site and not a regular discussion forum and so answers should be used for answers to the question and be as focused as possible which is why I edited out the last paragraph, see the tour. Also whilst this does answer the question it is more focused on what the two sides could be compared to so it might be best if you edit to focus on the actual question as asked, i.e. why people would enlist in the Imperial military? – TheLethalCarrot Dec 18 '18 at 11:39

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