Grindelwald is described as being extraordinarily convincing, to the point that they had to prevent him from speaking while he was in prison so that he wouldn't exercise his influence on the guards.

He convinces Queenie, who had previously shown no inclination towards dark magic, to join him in less than a minute. After he gives a brief speech, she voices no objection to joining him (in spite of realizing who he is) and seems unswayed by Jacob Kowalski’s objections. Indeed, she seems virtually bewitched. On the other hand, Jacob seems largely immune to his influence at the rally (apart from being visibly distressed by Grindelwand's prediction about another war).

He also seems to know exactly what to tell Queenie to be as convincing as possible, even though he's apparently not gifted at Legilimency (or, at least, he's later seen consulting Queenie's skills on the matter).

Is Grindelwand using the Imperius Curse or some other method of bewitching people to enhance his influence over them? Or do people really find him that persuasive? And how did he know what to tell Queenie?

  • Related, not dupe; scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/198993/…. In short, we don't know.
    – Valorum
    Dec 23, 2018 at 16:02
  • We do know that Grindelwald is able to hide his thoughts from Queenie; the-leaky-cauldron.org/2016/12/15/…
    – Valorum
    Dec 23, 2018 at 16:02
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    I'm assuming his message is powerful and pervasive. He's basically telling a population that has never (in their lifetime) had the opportunity to decide whether to remain incognito that they can come out of hiding. And not only that, but that they're effectively a higher form of life with the destiny to lead the world
    – Valorum
    Dec 23, 2018 at 22:16

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It’s implied in interviews it’s mainly using skill.

Though it’s unclear in the movie itself whether Grindelwald’s ability to convince people to join him is magical or just his own skill, it’s implied in the interviews where those involved in making the movie discuss it that it’s his own ability to persuade people. The reason Queenie joined him was because he convinced her he’d be making a world where she’d be free to marry Jacob, and made her believe in his cause that way.

I think the fact that even Queenie could go over is really significant. For me, Grindelwald is a much scarier villain than Voldemort. Because Voldemort was pure evil. People followed Voldemort as much because of his power and brute force [as] his power of persuasion. The thing about Grindelwald is, he makes sense. He speaks to the needs that people have. He understands his audience and he gives them what they want to serve his own needs. So I understand Queenie, who wants to be with Jacob but where the magical laws deny her that possibility. You can see why someone who tells her in his world, in the world that he will rule, that she will be able to have what she wants, you understand why she goes over. To me, Grindelwald is relevant. He speaks to today. But he’s also, because history repeats itself, a timeless villain. I think he’s incredibly scary.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes Of Grindelwald Spoiler Special ft. David Yates and David Heyman (28 Nov 2018)

David Heyman says that Grindelwald convinces people by telling them what they want to hear, which implies that it’s at least somewhat his own skill. It’s also still possible that it’s at least somewhat supplemented by some type of magic, but it seems that his persuasiveness is meant to be an integral part of his character and what they’re trying to show about how even “good” people can be convinced to join a “bad” cause if given convincing reasons. The message described by David Heyman wouldn’t be as clear if Grindelwald effectively just Imperiused everyone. Furthermore, as Valorum says in the comments, Grindelwald’s message is actually convincing.

Support for Grindelwald teaches record numbers, as witches and wizards from all over the world stand alongside the Dark wizard. Grindelwald addresses his audience with a rallying cry. His message that wizards should use magic openly and love freely is convincing, while his true manifesto remains unspoken. | Queenie urges Jacob to consider Grindelwald's policies - being free to marry Jacob is her heart's desire.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald A Spellbinding Cinematic Tour

His message is that wizards should use magic openly and love freely. That message is convincing to them.

  • Queenie did seem to be persuaded rather easily, though, didn't she? Dec 23, 2018 at 22:14
  • Although, I guess even Jacob seemed moved by his prediction of another war, which would support the idea that he's telling people what they want to hear. How did he know what to tell them, though? Dec 23, 2018 at 22:16
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    @EJS - Grindelwald is (supposedly) telling her that he can give her her heart's fondest desire and seems utterly convincing. Who wouldn't be taken in by that?
    – Valorum
    Dec 23, 2018 at 22:28

The power of rhetoric is more powerful than any magic. Not only that, but it’s quite real. I encourage you to read “Thank You For Arguing” by Jay Heinrichs. The book does a wonderful job explaining and exposing the dark and marvelous arts of persuasion. You would be surprised the power of an individual with his mind set on a want and willingness to use any means of persuasion to acquire that from someone. You overlook the fact that Grindewald’s rhetoric is specially designed to make the psychologically prone to persuasion (pure bloods) and others (Queenie and other wizards) to consensually agree with him and do his bidding. You probably won’t understand all this until you read the book I spoke of earlier in this paragraph. If you don’t understand rhetoric you’re even more susceptible to persuasive leaders who do, or even those around you who do. You’d be surprised just how much power you’ll have too if you embrace the power of persuasion. enter image description here

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    Hi, welcome to SciFi.SE. Could you perhaps edit in some relevant quotes from the book you mentioned to help substantiate your answer? If you could also show some examples of how Grindelwald's rhetoric was specially designed to make people agree with him it would further improve your answer.
    – fez
    Jan 28 at 19:43

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