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Kim Stanley Robinson's newest novel 2312 shares a lot of themes with his classic Mars Trilogy. Are they set in a shared universe?

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  • I would suggest shifting the acceptance to Bernhard Krickl's answer. The current accepted answe isn't incorrect, but the source they're quoting is just a magazine article written by someone who's read both book series.
    – Valorum
    Dec 29, 2022 at 0:51

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No they are not set in the same Universe, though they may share similar landmarks.

From the Tor website:

It was a pleasant surprise to discover that Robinson actually starts his new novel 2312 in Terminator, the moving city on Mercury, taking the concept from Blue Mars (and, I later discovered, from another novel and short story) and using it as a building block for what may be his most ambitious novel to date: a future history of the solar system, set exactly 300 years into our future. However, one thing should be explained right from the start: despite the similarity of the city on Mercury, 2312 is actually set in a completely different timeline from the Mars trilogy, one in which Mars took a different path. So: a standalone novel, not a sequel. --Tor.com

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  • This writer of this article appears to have no connection to the author or any special insight (other than having read both book series', presumably).
    – Valorum
    Dec 28, 2022 at 16:16
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They are not in the same timeline/universe. Kim Stanley Robinson has clarified this in an interview.

Q. 2312 appears in some ways closely related to both your Mars trilogy and Science in the Capital trilogy, but I am assuming that it is not exactly part of the same future history. True?

KS: That's right, I don't like linking up my various projects into one larger future history. I've never done it, and so of course now it's too late, and I don't regret it. I don't see that the advantages of some larger macro-history are very large, compared to the flexibility that I've gained by making each novel have its own future history. Even within my Mars stories there are a couple alternative historical lines to the main one described in the trilogy. I think it's best to keep on updating one's views on what is "most likely to happen," and write accordingly. And doing it this way means each time I have a chance to invent a whole new history, and even if they are somewhat similar, there's still a lot of pleasure to be had there in the details.

BUT: After having read the first 200 pages of 2312 I dare say that while some details, ideas and developments differ from the Mars trilogy timeline a lot of stuff fits very well. My point being that you will recognise a lot of stuff, and a lot of the state of affairs and developments in 2312 immediately makes sense if you have read the Mars trilogy before. Even if some things are different you can easily spot those differences and put them in a whole bunch of context.

Somebody who reads 2312 first will probably have a much harder time getting into the universe, understanding it and building a mental image of how humanity got to that point. Of course, you can just accept things as they are presented and not worry too much about that.

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Yes, I think they are! Mars is referred as "the great revolutionaries", and having a "single planetary government and an economic system variously labeled socialist, communist, utopian, democratic-state-anarchic, syndicalist, worker cooperative, libertarian socialist". Since Blue Mars ends around the year 2200, it could mean that 2312 is set in a universe at least very similar.

But there is a clue that ties it strongly to the Mars Trilogy (spoilers):

When Wahram and Swan are floating in space after abandoning the ETH Mobile, she remembers an old Martian song:

I floated thinking of Peter
Sure I would be saved
But the stories lie
I'm left to die
Black space will be my grave

This most probably refers to Peter Clayborne, who in 2061 was riding a space elevator when it was destroyed by rebels and had to jump from it. He spent some time orbiting Mars and was rescued by chance by a rebel ship.

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Same same but different

There are major differences in the described terraforming approach for Mars in 2312, most notably the use of a soletta as the primary mechanism for high-speed terraforming - creating canals across the whole planet. As we know, this approach was tried in the Mars Trilogy but never ran for long as it was such an easy target for malcontents to throw rocks at. KSR has used 2312 to play with some conflicting 'alternative timeline' ideas he had on Martian terraforming. The overall effect is very similar, he's just tried out some new ideas and approaches.

Notably Aurora also touches on Mars but there his alternative timeline is much more pessimistic - very far removed from the Mars of the trilogy.

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  • The soletta/lens ran for quite a few years before it was destroyed to prevent its use as a weapon
    – HorusKol
    Jun 27, 2016 at 4:49
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Some folks here have said they are not, and apparently even the author says not so I ca'nt argue with that.

The similarities are very strong. Though it has been a while since I read 2312, for some reason I had thought it was either directly stated or heavily implied that Pauline (the AI) used to belong to John Boone.

I can't remember off the top of my head, but there were quite a lot of other small details that seemed to directly link them. It almost makes me wonder if Kim wrote it thinking they were in the same universe then just said they weren't to ease the editing workload or something.

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    – fez
    Dec 28, 2022 at 8:15
  • Can you offer any evidence to support this assertion? Stated or implied where, and by whom?
    – Valorum
    Dec 28, 2022 at 16:13
  • It's been a decade since I read this, but I recall the same implication.
    – Jontia
    Dec 28, 2022 at 19:36

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