# Why is the raven like a writing desk?

In Lewis Carroll's Alice series, the Mad Hatter says a riddle, Why is the raven like a writing desk? There isn't any answer to this riddle in this book. Why does the hatter say this and does this have any answer?

• – Buzz
Jan 5, 2019 at 5:54
• And why is a hawk like a handsaw? Jan 5, 2019 at 10:02
• The best (IMO) book on this and other Alice-related questions is Gardner's "The Annotated Alice" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Annotated_Alice), which for me has answered more questions that I had even thought of asking. Jan 5, 2019 at 10:57
• One is an ink-lined plane, and ... oops, wrong riddle. Jan 5, 2019 at 16:03
• @Randal'Thor - When I studied Hamlet, my tutor made a special point of mentioning that a hawk is both a bird and a sort of curved axe-blade and a handsaw is a both a cutting tool and a possible corruption of heronsaw so the mad prince might actually be making rather a clever pun. Jan 5, 2019 at 21:38

The author did not originally intend there to be an answer, but he was eventually badgered into producing one. According to this Gizmodo article:

Lots of other answers have also been suggested. That article also points out two of the other famous third-party answers:

The unanswered riddle, which many people were exposed to in their formative years, got under people's skin. In their attempt to adequately extricate it, they've come up with answers. A satisfying, but meta, answer is, "Poe wrote on both," given by puzzle enthusiast Sam Lloyd. More in the spirit of the nonsense genre, Aldous Huxley ventured, "Because there is a 'b' in both and an 'n' in neither." Beautifully bizarre.

## The riddle has no (canonical) solution.

The author, after having been repeatedly questioned on the subject for nearly two years after the original work was published, eventually came up with an answer for the updated edition which they included in the preface, reproduced below from the 150th Anniversary edition. Note that there is no answer, merely one that the author devised post-facto

PREFACE TO THE EIGHTY-SIXTH THOUSAND

Enquiries have been so often addressed to me, as to whether any answer to the Hatter's Riddle (see p. 59) can be imagined, that I may as well put on record here what seems to me to be a fairly appropriate answer, viz., "Because it can produce a few notes, though they are VERY flat; and it is nevar put with the wrong end in front!" This, however, is merely an after-thought: the Riddle, as originally invented, had no answer at all.

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass: 150th Anniversary Edition

Various other wits have noted the lack of a true answer and offered their own opinions.

LEWIS CARROLL himself proposed an answer in the 1897 final revision of Alice's Adventures. "Because it can produce a few notes, though they are very flat; and it is never put with the wrong end in front!" The early issues of the revision spell "never" as "nevar", ie "raven" with the wrong end in front.

Martin Gardner, in More Annotated Alice (1990) gave two possible answers, sent in by readers: "both have quills dipped in ink" and "because it slopes with a flap". In 1991, The Spectator held a competition for new answers, among the prize winners were: "because one has flapping fits and the other fitting flaps"; "because one is good for writing books and the other better for biting rooks"; and "because a writing desk is a rest for pens and a raven is a pest for wrens".

(Dr) Selwyn Goodacre, Editor, Journal of the Lewis Carroll Society, Swadlincote, Derbyshire.

Any possible solutions to the Mad Hatter's conundrum: Why is a raven like a writing-desk?

The same 'Guardian Newspaper - notes and queries' page contains an extended quote from John Fisher's The Magic of Lewis Carroll.

JOHN FISHER, in his book "The Magic of Lewis Carroll" (Thomas Nelson 1973, Penguin 1975), quotes Carroll's own answer, supplied in a preface to the 1896 edition of "Alice in Wonderland": "Enquiries have been so often addressed to me, as to whether any answer to the Hatter's riddle can be imagined, that I may as well put on record here what seems to be a fairly appropriate answer, viz: 'Because it can produce few notes, tho [sic] they are very flat; and it is never put with the wrong end in front!' This, however, is merely an afterthought; the Riddle, as originally invented, had no answer at all." Fisher also quotes Sam Loyd's solution, in his posthumous "Cyclopedia of Puzzles", published in 1914: "The notes for which they are noted are not noted for being musical notes." Fisher continues: "Loyd also reminded the world that 'Poe wrote on both' and that 'bills and tales are among their characteristics.'"

Any possible solutions to the Mad Hatter's conundrum: Why is a raven like a writing-desk?

• Copied directly from your answer to the same question elsewhere? ;-) Jan 5, 2019 at 9:33
• @Randal'Thor - Indeed. Same question, same answer Jan 5, 2019 at 9:34
• There is much that is wrong, illogical, and misleading in the above “answer.” For example “Wonderland” was published originally in 1865 and this clue (in Carroll’s terms - “sham answer’) in 1896, so the 2 year “wait” is nonsense. The illogical jump from there is no “canonical” answer to “there is no answer” in bold lettering, would make the logician Carroll roll over in his grave. As the much more witty and logical Wittgenstein, who often used Carroll’s ideas, correctly, concluded “The riddle does not exist. If a question can be put at all, then it can also be answered.” Mar 9, 2021 at 13:32