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The Baron does not want to know how

Lady Jessica and Paul Atreides die,

out of fear of the Bene Gesserit Truthsayer; or at least that is what Jessica deduces. The same goes for Piter de Vries.

But it seems obvious that the purpose of the Harkonnens attacking the Atreides is to

kill the family/bloodline.

Since the Empreror himself is involved in the plot, why would they fear to be questioned by a Truthsayer, and why do they fear to reveal their whereabouts?

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It's not that the Baron doesn't want to watch them die, it's that he wants plausible deniability as to the reason and manner of their deaths. He wants to be able to stand in the presence of the Truthsayer and say "I didn't kill the boy or the woman and I didn't order their deaths" and for it to be the strict truth. By using a proxy (Piter) he allows himself the victory he wants, the ending of the Atreides line in as unpleasant a way possible without breaching his evident bargain with the Emperor, that he'll deliver up the boy and his mother alive after the invasion is complete.

As to why the Emperor wants Paul and Jessica, this is down to the Bene Gesserit. They want to take them into custody (presumably in exile on their Chapter House planet) until it's time to bring the final stage of their breeding plan to fruition, by wedding Paul to a Harkonnen female, sealing the bloodlines and creating their superhuman.

“We may be able to salvage you. Doubtful, but possible. But for your father, nothing. When you’ve learned to accept that as a fact, you’ve learned a real Bene Gesserit lesson.”

  • "without breaching his evident bargain with the Emperor, that he'll deliver up the boy and his mother alive after the invasion is complete." Is there any quote that supports this? Or at what point is this revealed? I may have missed this part. – piwi Jan 28 at 15:02
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    @piwi - The closest we get is when the Baron says "Remember–I am giving up the boy. You heard what the traitor said about the lad’s training. They are alike, this mother and son–deadly.”. But we do know there was a 'thopter set aside specifically for extracting Paul and Jessica, so he must have had some plans for them, other then simply killing them when found. In general you don't keep people alive if you want them dead :-) – Valorum Jan 28 at 15:19
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    There are also passages early in the novel explaining that Leto is a favored underdog in the Landsraad, and none of the nobles would tolerate the open assassination of an entire family line. It would set the precedent that any of them would be next, and they would then unite against the emperor/the Harkonnens. Keeping Paul and Jessica alive could placate the other nobles. – aherocalledFrog Jan 29 at 16:38
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In the Dune-verse at the time of the Dune novel, Emperor Shaddam IV is not all-powerful - in fact, he is often portrayed as a puppet of the various other powers. Politically, his influence is regulated by the Landsraad, and the other powers (Spacing Guild, Bene Gesserit, other noble houses, and other minor powers) contribute their own power (or withhold it) to manipulate the Emperor to their own ends. There are always plots going on, and the books go to great lengths to explain the thought-processes of the key players. Even Paul Atreides, as he claims the throne and the Emperor's daughter to be his "wife", sees that there are numerous plots afoot and that he must take care not to over-reach. Of course, he eventually takes a damn-the-torpedoes approach and plunges the galaxy into war (he laments at one point that over 60 billion have been killed in his wars [Dune Messiah (1969)]), but that comes later.

So, in this instance, the Harkonnens and the Emperor both know that if their plan becomes public knowledge, they could be censured by the other powers - Spacing Guild could withhold interplanetary travel, and thus access to the spice, and the Bene Gesserit could withhold their power to influence the gene-pool and see the future, etc.

  • Thanks for this explanation, but I don't understand how this answers the question. Knowing how Paul and his mother die does not prevent from revealing the Baron and the Emperor are involved in this plot. – piwi Jan 28 at 14:15
  • @piwi - I am answering your question, "why would they fear to be questioned by a Truthsayer?" The answer also covers the details on the "whereabouts" because that information would just further point to the direct involvement of the Emperor and the Baron who are trying to avoid being implicated in the deaths. – Sam Jan 28 at 14:26
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    @piwi, it's plausible deniability init? "Are they dead?". "I dunno, they might be, they not be. I didn't see them die and no one has told me how they die.". – Darren Jan 28 at 14:29
  • @Sam So the question was not specific enough I guess, I am really seeking an answer in the context of the attempt to get rid of Jessica and Paul. – piwi Jan 28 at 14:36
  • @piwi - right, so in the context of getting rid of a threat to the throne and a hated enemy, they need to keep their hands clean. They are both fairly petty but they are aware that the plot has far-reaching consequences that the other powers (especially the Bene Gesserit, as noted by @Valorum) may not like. – Sam Jan 28 at 17:47
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The reason may be that the Emperor and the Baron Harkonnen have different goals in the conflict.

The Baron wants his enemy, all of them down to the last soldier, dead. His motivation is one of burning revenge:

"The Harkonnens won't rest until they're dead or my Duke destroyed. The Baron cannot forget that Leto is a cousin of the royal blood--no matter what the distance--while the Harkonnen titles came out of the CHOAM pocketbook. But the poison in him, deep in his mind, is the knowledge that an Atreides had a Harkonnen banished for cowardice after, the Battle of Corrin."

And that quote brings me to the next point. The Duke Leto and the Emperor were distant relatives. He very likely did not want any harm to come to a member of his family. The Emperor's reason for engaging in the conflict wasn't personal, it was to ensure supremacy. Hawat explained it to Baron Harkonnen:

"The Padishah Emperor turned against House Atreides because the Duke's Warmasters Gurney Halleck and Duncan Idaho had trained a fighting force -- a small fighting force -- to within a hair as good as the Sardaukar. Some of them were even better.

The Emperor was involved only as a political necessity. Most likely he was hoping that once Duke Leto's armies were smashed, he would retire to Tupile:

TUPILE: so-called "sanctuary planet" (probably several planets) for defeated Houses of the Imperium. Location(s) known only to the Guild and maintained inviolate under the Guild Peace.

Remember that there were strict rules in place to keep royalty safe during wartime, too.

DICTUM FAMILIA: that rule of the Great Convention which prohibits the slaying of a royal person or member of a Great House by informal treachery. The rule sets up the formal outline and limits the means of assassination.

The Emperor had every right to think that Duke Leto would survive the conflict. The Baron, however, had other plans:

Others in like circumstances have become renegade Houses, taking family atomics and shields and fleeing beyond the Imperium."

"The Duke's too proud a man for that," the Baron said.

"It is a possibility," Piter said. "The ultimate effect for us would be the same, however."

"No, it would not!" the Baron growled. "I must have him dead and his line ended."

And the death of Duke Leto sent the Emperor into a rage:

When my father, the Padishah Emperor, heard of Duke Leto's death and the manner of it, he went into such a rage as we had never before seen.

Which brings us to the Truthsayer. The Baron had to engineer deaths for his opponents, but do so in such a way as to look like you were playing inside the rules, and to be able to speak the truth in front of the Emperor's Truthsayer, and not offend the Emperor. It was a very delicate thing. That's why they had to do all the circumlocution. It was noticed by Count Fenring:

"The Emperor cannot be unhappy about the death of the concubine and the boy," the Baron said. "They fled into the desert. There was a storm."

"Yes, there were so many convenient accidents," the Count agreed.

So the Emperor definitely suspects, but cannot prove the Baron went against his wishes and purposefully had the Atreides killed. The Baron's plan was a success in that regard.

  • An excellent answer with some very solid referencing. You have my +1 – Valorum Feb 19 at 20:36

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