As far as I can tell, trying to catch up on the setting and read up on it all (currently a new player to a RPG of the setting and wanting to expand knowledge/hopefully read the books), the human parent of any White Court vampire kids don't tend to live long and the House they belong to ends up taking full custody, rearing their progeny how they see fit.

Which has made me wonder:

If the human parent somehow did live long enough to find out about the vampire-side and make a bolt with the baby (perhaps they were still pregnant at the time and thus had to still be alive) not wanting the vampire House anywhere near them: would they be able to actually try make any legal measures within the supernatural community, to try prevent that House from getting custody of the kid even if something were to happen to them?

They can't exactly take it to a human court and just go – “their other side are [despair/fear/rage/etc.] eating vampires who kill people for food and funsies and are going to try kill me and maybe my baby too with their political manoeuvrings, so please bar them from having any sort of custody ever” – or something like that to try make a case.

Even if they did get the family barred through other mortal legal means/excuses - that's not going to be respected.

But, the supernatural world does seem to at least have precedent with trials and legal cases and would at least certainly believe the parent (and possibly be more respected in any verdict they might reach).

So, within the described lore of the setting, is there anything that would indicate a way for a person to attempt to start a court case on a matter like this about custody of a white court child?

For instance there being a specifically described someone they could go to/protocols followed/things done?

Disclaimer: I don’t think they’d succeed with the case, with who they are up against, but this question is specifically wondering if there's anything on if even an attempt would be possible.


The mortal parent almost certainly doesn't have standing to bring a legal challenge in the supernatural world. The various supernatural power blocs, such as the Vampire Courts and the White Council, aren't interest groups that operate under a single law; they're nations that operate under treaties with one another.

The most important treaty is the Unseelie Accords, which describe (essentially) the international relations of the supernatural world. Normal humans, however, are not party to the Accords. Unless they come under the protection of one of these powers (such as the Faerie Courts, or perhaps the White Council), they have no rights and no standing to seek protection under the Accords. For instance, in White Night, Harry was only able to challenge Vitto Malvora because his victims fell under the penumbra of the White Council's interests.

So, a pure mortal parent would have no standing to challenge the White Court under the Accords. (A partially supernatural parent such as a changeling might have other options, assuming it's even possible for them to have a child with a vampire.)

They could pursue the matter under mortal law, of course. Without proof of abuse or neglect, though, they have a very weak case. Most jurisdictions will not take custody away from a parent - even in favor of another parent - without a clear and compelling reason. This is why, as you mentioned, the White Court tends to have the other parents killed so that they don't have to go through that hassle.

Finally, the White Court would probably not be unduly concerned with a ruling against them. They can't simply ignore it; the Court is too active in the affairs of mortals. They own property, they manage businesses, they generally need relatively clean legal records. However, they have enough influence to delay any such judgment, appeal or, or have it vacated without too much trouble.


I haven't seen anything in canon that would show this being attempted.

That said, considering how the courts treat mundane cases where there's a difference in affluence, unless the non-vampire parent was similarly connected, I'd think from their modus operandi on other things where legalities become involved in the mortal world, they'd just let it play out in the mortal courts and apply other leverage (monetary, legal) to get the case resolved as quickly as possible in their favor.

So the answer to your question would be yes, I'd presume, using the normal procedures for such a case.


In the US there are several states where a rapist can sue for custody so custody issues are really strange in general and the death of a parent almost always means the surviving parent gets custody.

In The Dresden Files what the human could do is make a deal with a different power, give the child to the Fairies for example this may legally prevent the white court from gaining custody of the child however it is debatable if this option is really any better than the kid being raised by the vampires.

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