In The Lord of the Rings there was a conversation between two orcs, where one of them expressed the desire to leave Mordor and return to a life of small scale brigandry.

Who was this orc, and in which book did this conversation occur?

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    Possible duplicate of Is there a passage in Lord of the Rings told from the perspective of an orc?. It's Gorbag.
    – Valorum
    Jul 10, 2019 at 20:43
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    The answer is the same, but the two questions seem distinct -- one about a particular event that happened in the book, one about narrative perspectives. Jul 10, 2019 at 21:12
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    Anyone finding this question will instantly find the answer on the other question. Not only is it the top answer but it's also accepted. That's usually good enough for us.
    – Valorum
    Jul 10, 2019 at 21:48
  • Yeah, being a duplicate isn't necessarily a negative thing, especially in this case where the questions are different, but have the same answer. Both are good questions and each serves as a pointer to a single good answer.
    – Alarion
    Jul 10, 2019 at 23:18
  • Got it, thanks for the clue! Jul 11, 2019 at 4:01

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It's Gorbag's suggestion to Shagrat at the high pass above Minas Morgul. They have just taken the unconscious Frodo prisoner and Sam hears them though he and they are in different tunnels.

"...But anyway, if it does go well, there should be a lot more room. What d'you say? - if we get a chance, you and me'll slip off and set up somewhere on our own with a few trusty lads, somewhere where there's good loot nice and handy, and no big bosses.'

'Ah! ' said Shagrat. 'Like old times.'
The Two Towers, book IV, chapter 10 - The Choices of Master Samwise.

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