How long is the Long Bridge of Volantis? (In the books.)
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11Seven. Seven long.– AdamantCommented Dec 17, 2019 at 23:07
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i0.wp.com/www.fantasticmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/…– ValorumCommented Dec 17, 2019 at 23:10
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2@Valorum: That image is not quite to scale, is it? Or is it a bridge that runs mostly over land with a small stretch over a river? :-(– einpoklumCommented Dec 17, 2019 at 23:21
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1@Adamant dang it beat me to the punch– BroklyniteCommented Dec 18, 2019 at 10:58
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1@Broklynite: Ah, ok. Although, frankly, it would have been silly to ask "How many meters long". Also, an answer like "as long as it takes for dragging Tyrion over it to take the better part of a day" is just fine.– einpoklumCommented Dec 18, 2019 at 16:49
5 Answers
There's no specific measurement given
There are a few descriptions of the bridge, but none provide a measurement. However, it stretches across the River Rhoyne and
had no rivals save for the Bridge of Dream in the Rhoynar festival city of Chroyane.
-The World of Ice and Fire, Volantis. George R. R. Martin
It is so epic in fact that
the Long Bridge of Volantis stands today as the longest bridge in all the known world. Lomas Longstrider named it one of the nine wonders made by man in his book of that title.
-The World of Ice and Fire, Volantis. George R. R. Martin
Due to the difficulty and the tides of the Rhoyne, the bridge took 40 years to complete.
Tyrion describes it as such:
The gateway to the Long Bridge was a black stone arch carved with sphinxes, manticores, dragons, and creatures stranger still. Beyond the arch stretched the great span that the Valyrians had built at the height of their glory, its fused stone roadway supported by massive piers. The road was just wide enough for two carts to pass abreast, so whenever a wagon headed west passed one going east, both had to slow to a crawl.
-A Song of Ice and Fire: Book 5 - A Dance With Dragons, Chapter 27 (Tyrion VII). George R. R. Martin
So I'd say it's fairly long, but not too wide; given that the Long Bridge crosses at the southern delta of the River Rhoyne of which it is said:
Mother Rhoyne waxes so wide that a man upon a boat in the center of the stream cannot see a shore to either side.
-A Song of Ice and Fire: Book 5 - A Dance With Dragons, Chapter 14 (Tyrion IV). George R. R. Martin
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5Given that Tyrion is dragged across it, on foot and in chains, in part of a day, it can't be more than 20-30km long at the most. :)– DavidWCommented Dec 18, 2019 at 2:22
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2If one knew the diameter of the planet, one could calculate the distance to the horizon at sea level. It would have to be twice that distance for "a man upon a boat in the center of the stream [to] not see a shore to either side."– T.J.L.Commented Dec 18, 2019 at 20:22
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3Well, it now seems there's enough information for two guesstimates. Commented Dec 18, 2019 at 20:40
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2@T.J.L. Well, given that "Planetos" is like twice the size of Earth, it should be somewhat guesstimatable.– MöozCommented Dec 18, 2019 at 21:46
Approximately 7.44 km (~4.6 miles)
If we take as fact that:
Mother Rhoyne waxes so wide that a man upon a boat in the center of the stream cannot see a shore to either side.
-A Song of Ice and Fire: Book 5 - A Dance With Dragons, Chapter 14 (Tyrion IV). George R. R. Martin
We can do some math...
From Wikipedia, the equation to determine distance to the horizon is D = √(2Rh), as long as we're dealing with relatively low altitude observations and ignoring things like atmospheric refraction. D is the distance to the horizon, R is the radius of the planet, and h is the observation height.
From Atlas of Ice and Fire, indicates Planetos is a little bit bigger than the Earth at 6920 km (~4,300 miles).
We'll work in meters, because a man sitting in a boat could quite easily have his eyeline at a height of 1 meter and that makes the math even easier. D = √(2Rh) becomes D = √(2*6,920,000) → D = 3,720, 3.72 km. Double that because our boat man is in the middle and we get 7.44 km (~4.6 miles).
Obviously, if the bridge isn't quite at the mouth or the planet isn't actually that big, or the quote isn't accurate, or the boat man is sitting higher, the precise value will change, but the equation won't.
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1"However, ignoring the effect of atmospheric refraction, etc. etc" - Wouldn't this be rather significant on a body of water? Lots of water vapor and such? Also - 1 meter is a somewhat arbitrary choice. Still, +1. Commented Dec 19, 2019 at 21:28
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1@einpoklum-reinstateMonica Totally arbitrary, just to make the math easy. :)– T.J.L.Commented Dec 19, 2019 at 21:32
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1Also, the radius-of-planetos figure is also speculative and not with a strong basis. The link you gave bases its figuring on links to articles which don't exist... Commented Dec 19, 2019 at 21:34
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1@einpoklum-reinstateMonica Covered in the final paragraph. If there's a word-of-god number, I didn't find it. If somebody can provide it, the math is not terribly difficult to revise.– T.J.L.Commented Dec 19, 2019 at 21:36
1500 metres (on TV) - And yes, I know you wanted a book answer, sue me.
The bridge depicted in the show is approximately 1500+ metres long. We see the size of various human-scale objects such as doorways and people in the close-up shot and from that we can extrapolate that each arch (from the centre of each pillar to the centre of the next pillar) is 37 metres.
The longer shot shows us that there are 13 arches (with possibly one more occluded by some trees in the foreground) which gives us a total figure.
The real location in Spain is only 247 metres long, which gives you an idea of the 'epic scale' that the makers were hoping to inject into the filming through the use of CGI.
To keep this answer on-topic (re: books), please enjoy this picture from The Lands of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin. If you can work out the scale on this, you're a better man than I.
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1I think it's perfectly reasonable to use show material as an estimate for a missing physical detail in the book. Thanks and +1. The LoIaF image is obviously illustrative/caricaturish and not supposed to tell us anything other than that it's prominent. Commented Dec 18, 2019 at 10:44
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@einpoklum-reinstateMonica - I expect this will garner downvotes from book purists.– ValorumCommented Dec 18, 2019 at 13:10
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1I, perhaps not a purist, bue one who likes the books better than the show, gave this +1. Commented Dec 18, 2019 at 14:10
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1@Valorum: I have two guesstimates without show information, please have a look. Commented Dec 18, 2019 at 20:40
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Speculative guesstimate #1: 3 Km
Book information
@DavidW notes the following sequence of events in DoD Tyrion VII:
- Jorah and Tyrian ride into Volantis; it is dusk.
- Jorah and Tyrian ride South within the city, at some point slowing "to a crawl".
- Tyrion gets chains fitted.
- Jorah and Tyrion walk to the Long Bridge (but this is not necessarily the same or similar distance to what they covered on the way South)
- Jorah and Tyrion cross the Long Bridge (i.e. walk its length).
- Jorah and Tyrion take a room at some house, eat, and go to sleep.
After all that, they have a large part of the night to sleep.
Real-world information
Preferred Human walking speed is about 5 Km/h (Wikipedia). Let's assume Tyrion walks at... what? 25% of that, being a Dwarf and shackled? Let's be conservative and say 20%.
Speculative assumptions
"The night" is 11 hours overall (to be on the conservative side, and without knowledge of how seasons work on Planetos in terms of day lengths).
It took J&T 3 hours overall from the city gates until coming onto the Long Bridge. This has essentially no basis, except the assumption that a blacksmith would not want to work well into the night for people he doesn't know.
Let's interpret "a large part" as less than half, since otherwise it would probably not have been mentioned that they didn't get a reasonable night's sleep. So, no more than 5 hours sleep for J&T at the end of the night.
Calculations
Time spent walking the Long Bridge in hours: 11 - 3 - 5 = 3 hours.
Distance covered: ( 20% * 5 Km/h ) * 3 h = 3 Km.
This is already quite impressive (and double the length suggested in @Valorum's answer based on the TV series). A less conservative estimate might put the length at somewhat longer than that.
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1In A Dance with Dragons, after Jorah Mormont has captured Tyrion (Tyrion VII) they ride into Volantis just before the gates are closed at dusk. They ride south along the river a fair distance, crossing many streets, and slowed "to a crawl" by the crowds, to the temple and the Black Wall. They push through the crowd, sell the horse, find a smithy to put chains on Tyrion, and walk to the Long Bridge. They cross the Long Bridge, dodging crowds, window shopping, to Merchant's House where they take a room, get food and eat, and they still have a large part of the night left to sleep.– DavidWCommented Dec 18, 2019 at 17:42
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1Wait a minute. The temple is on the SW side of the bridge. And IIRC, so is the Merchant's House. So when areTyrian and Jorah actually on the NE side? Commented Jul 23, 2020 at 10:31
Speculative guesstimate #2: 5 Km (or 2.5 Km)
Information from the books
There's a quote of Lomas Longstrider, describing the bridge (see here; probably from the World of Ice and Fire), saying that the bridge was said to support "A Thousand Elephants".
Real-world information
Elephant facts tells us Elephants are 10 feet - 22 feet in length, i.e. 3.3 to 6.8 meters or so (Asian Elephants are much longer than African ones). Can't find width information, but judging from this, the width is about half the length, give or take something for the ears.
Speculation
If we interpret the "Thousand elephants" quote to mean you could literally place 1,000 elephants on the bridge, that gives you an indication of its length. Problem is, we don't know whether the Elephants are supposed to be two-abreast or single-file. Let's assume one-abreast, because it stands to reason that a length estimation would put them in a single file; plus, I doubt you had elephants walking in proper formation, even with the splendor of Volantis.
Let's take an elephant-to-elelphant length of 5m, all included (nose, tail, clearance).
Calculation
1000 elephants * 5 m/elephant = 5 Km
If we assume two-abreast, this becomes 2.5 Km.
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If you can fit two carts with a squeeze, you can easily have three abreast elephants.– ValorumCommented Dec 18, 2019 at 21:21
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4Take off their hats!! No, wait, that's popes in a Volkswagen.– ValorumCommented Dec 18, 2019 at 21:22
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2@Valorum: No, you can't. An elephant is as wide as a cart - and they won't take to squeezing. You'll just have a stamepede on your hands. Commented Dec 18, 2019 at 22:04