I once remember, long ago, finding a "church" that believes Tolkien wasn't writing fiction, but history, as archangel Gabriel dictated it to him. This "church" believes that everything Tolkien wrote chronologically happened before the Great Flood. They consider The Silmarillion a holy book and The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings historical fiction, but reliable historical fiction.

This was a long time ago, some 5-6 years ago, and I can't find this "church" anywhere. My question is, does something like this exist anywhere else?

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    A group of people taking a fantasy/science fiction authors works, and then forming a religion based on it. I can't see any money in that at all. :)
    – Richard C
    Feb 16, 2020 at 17:59
  • Richard C, no, they BELIEVE it. They claimed one guy talked with Tolkien and Tolkien told him that archangel Gabriel appeared to him and dictated him pre-Flood history. My question is, why didn't Tolkien mentioned that?:)
    – curious
    Feb 16, 2020 at 19:55
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    I believe Tolkien has been pretty clear, over the course of something like 20 or 30 years worth of correspondence, what is what. I think the most that can be said for any kind of 'direct inspiration' of the spiritual sort is that he, as a youth, had "Atlantis dreams" -- dreams of being overtaken by a huge flood. I am reasonably certain that whoever said that Gabriel dictated the story to him has been in the pipeweed too much. I should think that Gabriel would soon tire of Tolkien's incessant and compulsive need to write, correct, revise, recorrect & rewrite just about every word written!
    – elemtilas
    Feb 16, 2020 at 21:11
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    Man I wish that LOTR was a true story lol Feb 17, 2020 at 5:32

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Theoretically, at least, I once posited that Iluvatarism would be that religion. There is certainly enough matter in the legendarium to put together a sort of basic theistic religion. More, certainly, than the adherents of Jediism have available to them.

One problem in research is that most of the terms one might consider tend to crop up as fan-fic in-world religions. That is, religions purportedly followed by peoples within Middle Earth itself. I have read some forum posts, usually in Tolkien fan groups, that seem indicative of at least a few individuals have tried to create (usually quite bizarre) religious paths out of it.

Either way, I am certain Mr Tolkien would have rolled his eyes in disgust at the very notion of people taking his work and so abusing it.

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    The religion would simply be Christianity, since it is literally true in Tolkien’s universe, just with some imaginary history added.
    – Shamshiel
    Feb 16, 2020 at 16:51
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    @Shamshiel That's some pretty weird Christianity, I think. I woulda read the Bible a lot earlier if it had giant spiders invading the land of the gods.
    – Misha R
    Feb 16, 2020 at 18:15
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    @MishaR reading the letters lays this out pretty clearly.
    – Shamshiel
    Feb 16, 2020 at 19:21
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    @Shamshiel I think that we should be more careful about separating Tolkien's letters from his legendarium. There is a reason he did not include any actual Christianity in his books, and we should respect that. He may have ruminated on it in his letters - and his self-analysis may lay it out clearly, but the enormous number of differences between the books and Christianity is no less clear. Let's give Tolkien a little breathing room, shall we. It's like saying that an atheist cannot create a fictional world that has gods in it, just because of their thoughts on what it means for atheism.
    – Misha R
    Feb 16, 2020 at 19:29
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    Some interesting but extended discussion about Tolkien and religion; I've left the first few comments and moved the rest to chat. Please continue the conversation there.
    – Rand al'Thor
    Feb 17, 2020 at 9:14

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