The Lord of the Rings involves a literary conceit that Tolkien has received the story (and perhaps more) as an actual history, translated from The Red Book of Westmarch. Given that Tolkien's world-building of breath-taking depth is centered strongly on philology and constructed languages and the histories they imply, I wonder:

Did Tolkien write any significant part or passages (e.g., songs or poems) of the history in either The Lord of the Rings or The Red Book of Westmarch? (Note: I am not asking if he wrote and then translated from Westron, but simply if he ever wrote any passages or even large parts of the narrative in Westron, presumably after the fact of having written LotR.)

My sense from his published fiction, essays and the very few of his letters I have read (I have not read The History of Middle Earth) is that Westron is maybe less developed than his Elvish languages, so I expect the answer to my question to be in the negative.

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    I'm pretty sure none of his languages were as developed as the Elvish ones. Not aware of any Westron other than a few names mentioned in the appendix, but maybe there is more out there. – suchiuomizu Jul 18 at 21:54


Pretty much all of the known Westron that Tolkien created can be found in Appendix F to The Lord of the Rings (or the earlier drafts of that Appendix published in HoMe volume 12), where Tolkien gives them as "examples" of the decisions he had to make while "translating" the book.

Scarcely little else has ever been brought to life that Tolkien wrote in Westron, and none of it is in the forms of long passages or even full phrases.

You can see a list of all known Westron words here. It's pretty short.

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  • SWEET LINK! Thank you. – Lexible Jul 20 at 15:27
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    @Lexible - Eldamo is a great site if what you love is hard data on tolkien's languages, although it can sometimes be a bit unintuitive to navigate, and it's aimed at a more academic level than some people may be looking for. But it has everything currently known from Tolkien and it's all properly sourced and categorized. – ibid Jul 21 at 10:06

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