From this SFF answer:

Out of universe, the idea of the Jedi order as a monastic organization praising celibacy was a new concept introduced, if I remember correctly, in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones or around that time. Anyway, Luke made his marriage proposal to Mara in Timothy Zahn's Vision of the Future, published in September 1998, half a year before the release of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace.

I can swear I recall reading in one of pre-preqel EU books discussion on the topic of pre-Empire Jedi not being allowed to marry. May or may not have been related to some Holocron that Luke found. I don't recall if it was in context of Mara Jade.

I'm looking for someone to confirm whether that recollection is correct with an example.

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    And if you are wrong, what would you accept as a proof? In Children of the Jedi, published in 1995 "there are [Continuity] issues with the description of the members of the Old Jedi Order as depicted here, specifically their decentralized structure and acceptance of family and relationship ties. "
    – DavRob60
    Oct 10, 2012 at 2:32
  • @DavRob60 - hm. Tough one. A grep of all pre-prequel EU novels would do it. Except I don't have mine anymore in soft copy, and hardcopies are all packed up into boxes :( Oct 10, 2012 at 2:53
  • Hm. Humbly's mention of marriages is not a bad evidence, but not quite bulletproof evidence that none of EU discussed marriage bans. Especially since it was noted to have been a "rogue sect" Oct 10, 2012 at 2:59
  • This "rogue sect" thing is a retcon. The sources (The New Essential Guide to Characters (2002) and The Clone Wars: No Prisoners (2009)) were published after the prequels.
    – DavRob60
    Oct 10, 2012 at 11:57
  • By the way, this question could be reformulated as "What was the first reference to the idea that pre-Empire Old Jedi Order members were not allowed to marry?" To which I answerer "Attack of the Clones".
    – DavRob60
    Oct 10, 2012 at 16:17

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The Jedi Order was founded in 25,783 BBY, and their philosophies -- such as the distinction between the light side and dark side of the Force -- developed over the next few centuries. They served as the guardians of the Republic since its foundation. It wasn't until around 4,000 BBY, however, that the Jedi began to forbid marriage and attachment.

Practically speaking, this is due to the structure of the Expanded Universe. Before the Prequels came out, EU writers had to avoid the Prequel Era so as to avoid contradictions with later material. For the most part, the EU covered events in between the Original Trilogy movies and after Return of the Jedi. In order to explore new time periods and characters, works like Knights of the Old Republic were set 4,000 to 5,000 years before A New Hope and featured Jedi marrying with no problem. When the prohibition of marriage was revealed in Episode II, it only made sense in the EU if it started after 4,000 BBY.

In-universe, the new rule prohibiting marriage is justified by changes in the structure of the Jedi Council and Jedi Order. Before 4,000 BBY, the Jedi Order was made up of loosely affiliated local groups. After the Great Sith War, they became a unified organization under the Jedi High Council, which began to reinterpret the Jedi Code. Among the new regulations were the prohibition of marriage and the idea that Jedi must begin their training as very young children.

Source: http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-FAQ_Why-Cant-Jedi-Marry.htm

Another difference in the portrayal of the Jedi pre- and post-1999 is the existence of Jedi families. During the Bantam era, it was established that Jedi could marry and have families, and several of the characters were the descendants of Jedi Knights, including Kam Solusar (Dark Empire II; Veitch, 1994) and Corran Horn (I, Jedi; Stackpole, 1998). Callista had a spouse named Geith Eris, and the Imperial warship Eye of Palpatine was meant to attack Belsavis, a planet housing the children of Jedi Knights (Children of the Jedi; Hambly, 1995). Jedi of the Old Republic during the Sith Era also had families; Andur and Nomi Sunrider were married and had a daughter, Vima (Tales of the Jedi: The Saga of Nomi Sunrider; Veitch, 1993). Then, Episode II firmly established the idea that Jedi could not marry nor have children, due to the risks of falling to the Dark Side associated with attachment to your spouse/offspring. Also, according to Vergere, Jedi were not permitted to have children to avoid creating Jedi family dynasties, which would have undue influence in the Order (I think this was from Destiny’s Way; Williams, 2002). As a result, retcons were required. Ranik Solusar had his son Kam without the permission of the Jedi Council, and so was severely reprimanded (The New Essential Guide to Characters; Wallace, 2002). There were two interpretations of Corran Horn’s circumstance. Either Nejaa Halcyon had special dispensation to have his son Valin (who became Hal Horn, Corran’s father) due to cultural considerations (Elusion Illusion; Stackpole, 2003) or Halcyon married and had a child without permission, keeping it hidden from the Jedi Council (Jedi Trial; Sherman and Cragg, 2004). Ultimately, any Jedi offspring dating from that era (such as Galen Marek) could be explained by the child being conceived with special dispensation from, or against the will of, the Jedi Council. Callista and Geith were members of Djinn Altis’s Jedi sect, which allowed marriage (Order 66; Traviss, 2008). The children of the Jedi located on Belvasis were retconned into being Apprentices and Padawans, not offspring (The New Essential Guide to Characters; Wallace, 2002). Last, issue 23 of Knights of the Old Republic established that there was a shift in Jedi thinking following the Great Sith War (J. Miller, 2007). Jedi would continue to have relationships and families for some years; Grand Master Satele Shan had a son, Theron (The Old Republic 7; Freed, 2011), but by the time of the Ruusan Reformations, the Jedi Order would ban marriage and conception.

source: http://www.eucantina.net/archives/11067

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    Sorry, but how is this even remotely addressing my question of "was there a specific mention of Jedi prohibition on marriage in EU pre-prequel"? Someone writing an article on about.com saying 'When the prohibition of marriage was revealed in Episode II' is as authoritative as DavRob's original answer I quoted - less so, in fact, since I know DavRob's level of knowledge of EU and don't know the about.com author's; and the article has no references or proof. Oct 10, 2012 at 2:56
  • I added a source that might help answer the question more closely. I can verify that the pre-1999 novel summaries are correct, as I read those novels several times. I'm a little hazy on the post-1999 novels, as I haven't read them nearly as much.
    – Force Flow
    Oct 10, 2012 at 4:23
  • Much more improved. I'm still very sure that I've seen SOME mention of non-marriage in EU, but this does a good job or removing a vast majority of books (aside from Zahn's) that I would have seen it in. +1 Oct 10, 2012 at 4:41
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    Is there a tl;dr version of these quotes? Oct 10, 2012 at 5:54

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