Tolkien characterized Balin in the Hobbit as "very old-looking":

... Instead there was a very old-looking dwarf on the step with a white beard and a scarlet hood; and he too hopped inside as soon as the door was open, just as if he had been invited. “I see they have begun to arrive already,” he said when he caught sight of Dwalin’s green hood hanging up. He hung his red one next to it, and “Balin at your service!” he said with his hand on his breast.
The Hobbit Chapter 1

Readers also found him to be wiser than Thorin:

Balin is portrayed to be the wiser, more social and skeptical individual in Thorin and Company. He is kind, sly and brave, an excellent fighter. Thorin, at one point, quoted on Balin's skill as a fighter. He develops an essentially strong relationship with the other Dwarves he travelled with and was willing to fight alongside them for any cause. He was sympathetic, sometimes cynical, towards Bilbo Baggins, remarking that the latter wasn't fit for the job they had set out to do. He got on brilliantly with Thorin, and seemed to share something of a grandfatherly view of the latter.
LOTR Fandom page on Balin

Understandably, Peter Jackson's 2012 movie The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey portrays Balin with his hair completely white and looking decades older than Thorin while the 2001 book The Hobbit - An Illustrated Edition of the Fantasy Classic illustrated by David Wenzel portrays Balin also looking older than Thorin, though not as exaggerated as in the movie.

From Peter Jackson's movie:

Balin presented the contract to Bilbo, with Thorin at the head of the table:
Balin presented the contract to Bilbo, with Thorin at the head of the table

From David Wenzel's illustrations:

Gandalf explaining the map to Thorin and company:
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But according to the genealogy in LOTR Appendix A - III (Durin's Folk), Tolkien had Thorin to be born in TA 2746 while Balin to be born in TA 2763, making Thorin to be 17 years older than Balin. In the scene, Thorin would have been 195 years old while Balin would have been 178, both were in the same age bracket considering the usual lifespan of dwarves is 250.

The question: Why does Tolkien make Thorin to be older and contemporaneous with Balin, only to present Balin in the Hobbit as "very old-looking"?

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    Balin's character is supposed to be the wise, grounding member of the group. He keeps Thorin honest and as such needed to be older, wiser
    – Edlothiad
    Commented Apr 2, 2021 at 19:41
  • @Edlothiad I agree that Balin is a lot wiser, so maybe the question should have been why Tolkien made Balin younger than Thorin. Commented Apr 2, 2021 at 20:01
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    Dwarves, like men, don't age very much, in terms of appearance and wisdom, between the ages of 175 and 200. Individual differences "dwarf" a mere 17-year age difference.
    – user14111
    Commented Apr 2, 2021 at 21:05
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    The Peter Jackson image is clearly Just For Dwarves hair coloring. Perhaps Jackson believes that Thorin was having a mid-life crisis. The Hobbit, itself (the book), describes Balin as "very old looking" but describes Thorin physically not at all, saying only that he looked "haughty".
    – JohnHunt
    Commented Apr 3, 2021 at 22:45
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    I'm not sure if Tolkien ever described Balin as older looking than Thorin. As for why Jackson did certain things in the movies... well, they didn't stay very true to canon anywhere else either. One curiousity though: Thorin's father Thráin had a Ring of Power, which is known to stall ageing. Thráin obtained it long after Thorin had been born though, so if the ring would somehow affect the genetics of the wearer's children, that wouldn't apply here.
    – Amarth
    Commented Apr 5, 2021 at 15:13

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This a compilation answer of all the comments above with a few of my own thoughts.

First, The Hobbit states clearly in Chapter 1:

Instead, it was a very old-looking Dwarf on the step with a white beard and a scarlet hood... And "Balin at your service!" he said with a hand on his breast.

Balin, while technically being younger than Thorin, was portrayed in the movie with shock white hair because he was described as being "very old-looking" and had a "white beard". Balin was born in TA 2763. Thorin was born in TA 2746, making him only 17 years older than Balin (a miniscule difference in terms of Dwarf-years). As @JohnHunt stated, Thorin was never described as being "very old-looking", neither did it mention nor allude to his having a "white beard", only saying:

Thorin indeed was very haughty, and said nothing about service...

But it only takes into account how he looked as a result of being smashed by fat Bombur, while not really describing his appearance, other than saying he was enormously important.

Second, an interview that took place between the actor who portrayed Thorin in the The Hobbit Trilogy, Richard Armitage, and Steve Weintraub, explains much of how they got Thorin to look and act younger:

Richard Armitage: ...Thorin calls Gandalf "Master Wizard"... He uses a term which suggests that Thorin's even older than Gandalf. We played around with making him move much more slowly and speak differently. But actually, if you want that kind of character, then you cast an older man. But... I needed him to be heroic on the battlefield and somebody that still has a potential to rise to that state of brilliance on a battlefield. He's like a flame that's fluttering, and has nearly been extinguished, but it has the potential to re-ignite. It's like a dying flame when you first meet him, but he still has to be a flame. It's something I've struggled with in creating the role, but then you get on with it.

As you can see, the producers and Armitage were originally planning on making him an older Dwarf. However, they settled on a younger, more heroic figure for Thorin, someone who can capture the spirit of the King Under the Mountain, rather than casting a second Balin.

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    "He uses a term which suggests that Thorin's even older than Gandalf." Of course, Gandalf is actually several millennia old, being a Maiar.
    – TylerH
    Commented Aug 31, 2021 at 13:29
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    Looking at the members of the line of Durin that didn't die prematurely, we don't really see anyone living past 260 or so. (Balin's brother Dwalin seems an extreme outlier at 340.)
    – chepner
    Commented Aug 31, 2021 at 14:39
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    Maybe it was some kind of Game-of-Thrones-style dynastic squabble. Balin appears to be the oldest remaining descendent of Dáin I, and as a 3rd cousin of Dáin II himself, could be considered the biggest threat to Thorin III eventually taking the throne. Let Balin go to Moria. If he succeeds, Moria is regained. If he fails, he's out of the picture....
    – chepner
    Commented Aug 31, 2021 at 19:12
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    ... and who is the next oldest descendent of Dáin I? Why, it's Glóin! No wonder he's the one sent to Imladris for advice (and no wonder he accepted the trip at his own advanced age). :) (Oops, wait, Dwalin is still alive, as I noted above. Oh well, so much for court intrigue.)
    – chepner
    Commented Aug 31, 2021 at 19:13
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    But in a less sinister-sounding vein, you can argue it was Balin's right to lead any such expedition. Dáin probably couldn't forbid him without it being taken as a slap in the face.
    – chepner
    Commented Aug 31, 2021 at 19:16

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