In Avengers (2012), there is the following dialogue:

NATASHA: Clint, you're gonna be alright.

CLINT BARTON: You know that? Is that what you know? I got...I gotta go in though. I gotta flush him out.

NATASHA: We don't have that long, it's gonna take time.

CLINT BARTON: I don't understand. Have you ever had someone take your brain and play? Pull you out and send something else in? Do you know what it's like to be unmade?

NATASHA: You know that I do.

Why does she say this? When and by whom was she "unmade"?

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    Confirmation will probably appear in the next movie, but it is highly suggested that before she joined shield she and other young girls were kidnapped and trained/brainwashed in to becoming assassins.
    – A.bakker
    Commented Jul 3, 2021 at 10:19
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    The Red Room...
    – Valorum
    Commented Jul 3, 2021 at 13:17

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She’s referring to what they did to her in the Red Room. We learn a brief bit about it in Avengers: Age of Ultron and considering the small scenes we see it is very suggested that there was a lot of brain washing going on.

Natasha Romanoff: Neither can I. In the Red Room, where I was trained, where I was raised, um, they have a graduation ceremony. They sterilize you. It's efficient. One less thing to worry about. The one thing that might matter more than a mission. It makes everything easier. Even killing.

Avengers: Age of Ultron

This is confirmed in Black Widow where it's noted that Nat underwent psychological conditioning.

Yelena: What you experienced was psychological conditioning.

Black Widow

  • That doesn't sound to me like playing with her mine. They made her barren, they didn't hypnotize her...
    – Wade
    Commented Jul 3, 2021 at 15:15
  • @Wade making her barren was the final step. If you watch the scene with the flashback it’s clear there’s more to it than just that.
    – TheLethalCarrot
    Commented Jul 3, 2021 at 15:19
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    @Wade See the update. BW confirms that the Red Room was playing with her mind.
    – TheLethalCarrot
    Commented Jul 12, 2021 at 8:18

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