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In The Search, it is mentioned that there are at least 12 Alpha Quadrant Alliances (Taken to mean powers/governments), excluding the Romulans. What are these governments? The Ones I can think of are:

? = means Unsure

?? = means unsure they count as major

??? = means very unlikely to be there

  1. UFP
  2. Klingon Empire
  3. Cardassian Union?
  4. Talarian??
  5. Gorn??
  6. Ktarian??
  7. Bajoran??
  8. Ferengi???
  9. Tholian
  10. Breen???
  11. Tzenkethi???

(Romulans not being included was a plot point)

  1. Romulans

Others have reccomended:

  1. Sheliak???

  2. Orion?

  3. Kzinti?

But what were the 12 alliances? is there a list? What are the major powers of the Alpha Quadrant?

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    I know many places also put Klingon, Romulan, Federation and Gorn Territory in the Beta Quadrant.
    – Rainbow
    Jul 7, 2021 at 21:56
  • For the most part Alpha gets misused - they should have divided the quadrant along the Romulan Border instead of the Federation Capitol. The Tholians and Miradorn signed nonagression pacts (DS9: "Call to Arms")- so Miradorn should be on list. I'd nominate the Sheliak and Kzinti to your list. Though it is largely unanswerable. The Miradorn, Talarian, Ktarian, and Tzenkethi and even Bajorans are very small civilizations of which Trek is full of. The Cardassians and the Breen joined the Dominion. I doubt Orion Syndicate would qualify - though obviously they have some criminal power. Jul 8, 2021 at 0:43
  • Maybe the first Federation. First appearance was I think in TOS with their flagship the Fesarius. The big yellow ball with the captain appearing like a toddler.
    – trikPu
    Jul 8, 2021 at 4:48
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    You listed the Gorn twice, was that intentional? Jul 11, 2021 at 10:07
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    The inclusion of Bajorans may be particularly questionable. They are indeed spacefaring, but it does not seem they are much of a "military power" anywhere outside (or even within) their own solar system. Case in point, I can't remember the Bajoran militia ever sending any sort of reinforcements (other than personnel directly in service on the station) when DS9 was in trouble. Jul 11, 2021 at 10:10

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First off, it's worth pointing out that Necheyev doesn't say that they're meeting with twelve other powers from the Alpha Quadrant, she says that they're meeting with "and a dozen other", which is a colloquial way of saying "a lot" without specifically meaning twelve. It could mean anything from about eight up to about fifteen without being specific.

NECHAYEV: They're already meeting with representatives from the Federation Council and a dozen other Alpha Quadrant alliances. We're hoping to have a treaty signed within a matter of days, and we have you to thank for it.


That all being said, if we assume that the maps seen in the Star Trek: Star Charts factbook are largely accurate, the major players (by territory, and hence influence) are the Breen, Cardassians, Ferenghi, Gorn, Klingons and Tholians plus a handful of other minor players such as the Talarians and Sheliak.

Notably, the only other 'alliance' mentioned specifically in the script are the Cardassians. The whole thing, including the terms of the treaty is kept fairly (and probably intentionally) vague, because the Founders are wanting to see the crew respond to a scenario, not conduct a politics lesson.

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    Does the book really say "Talarites"? If so, is that an addition by the author, or was it supposed to be either "Tellarites" (should count as UFP proper) or "Talarians" (indeed a separate faction, as it seemed in TNG)? Jul 11, 2021 at 10:14
  • @O.R.Mapper - On the map it just says "Talar". It could just as easy be Talarians (although I believe that name is already used elsewhere in the shows) so I plumped for Talarites as an obvious alternative
    – Valorum
    Jul 14, 2021 at 16:38
  • "although I believe that name is already used elsewhere in the shows" - yes, as a non-UFP faction, as I wrote. Jul 14, 2021 at 22:46
  • @O.R.Mapper - That seems fair. Looking at the Star Trek Stellar Cartography resource, they appear to be the same ones (albeit retconned into a much more powerful polity)
    – Valorum
    Jul 14, 2021 at 22:52
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There's an important point about the episode in question - a large part of it didn't really happen. It was a Virtual Reality simulation created by the founders to see how Sisko would react. There was no meeting of representatives. There was no treaty. There was no twelve alliances. It's a fake detail in an artificial scenario.

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  • I already made that point in my answer (above)
    – Valorum
    Jul 14, 2021 at 6:13
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    @Pete , that detail was supposed to be as real as possible. Sisko's perception of the governments probably changed how he would react, and the Founders would probably want to see that.
    – Rainbow
    Jul 14, 2021 at 13:45
  • @Rainbow - I believe it's quite the opposite. Sisko is shielded from the meetings, refused access to the delegates, etc precisely because they want to provoke a reaction from him.
    – Valorum
    Jul 14, 2021 at 16:39
  • @Rainbow, Agreed, if I wanted to test someone's reaction in a simulation, I would not say "and the treaty's been ratified by 73 U.S. states." We can probably assume the simulation skewed as closely to reality as possible, and the number of AQ powers is within the realm of reality. Jul 15, 2021 at 14:32
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Actually there should be hundreds or thousands of other political groups equally as important as the ones we know of in the Alpha Quadrant, which is an entire quarter of the disc of the Milky Way Galaxy.

How many planets should there be in the Milky Way Galaxy which are naturally habitable for Humans? As far as I know, the only attempt to calculate their numbers was by Stephen H. Dole, in Habitable PLanets for Man, 1964, 2007. When scientists try to calculate the numbers of habitable worlds in the galaxy, they usually or always mean worlds habitable for carbon-based, liquid-water-using lifeforms, many of which, even on Earth, can and do survive in conditions swiftly fatal for unprotected humans.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/commercial_books/2007/RAND_CB179-1.pdf[1]

On page 104 Dole states that the probability of a star having a habitable planet is about 0.47 percent (O.0047), and that there are about 645 million habitable planets in the Milky Way Galaxy. Thus Dole estiamtes that there are about 137,234,040,000 stars in our galaxy.

At the present time it is estimated that there are 100 billion to 400 billion stars in the Milky Way Galaxy, and thus about 470,000,000 to 1,880,000,000 habitable (for humans) planets if Dole's calculations are correct. (And there should be several times as many planets which are habitable for some forms of carbon-based, liquid-water-using lifeforms but not for humans.)

And thus the Alpha quadrant should have about 117,500,000 to 470,000,000 habitable planets accoording to Dole's estimates.

Of course habitable planets are much more common in Star Trek than Dole estimated. Habitable palnets are so common, possibly having been terraformed by advanced civilizations in the past, that it seems likely that every star in Star Trek has at least one habitable planet.

So the Alpha Quadrant could have 25,000,000,000 to 100,000,000,000 planets habitable for humans and for intelligent beings with similar requirements.

Suppose that a space realm has 1 industrialized planet capable of building 1 space battleship per year.

it could 1 add space battleship to its space fleet every year, and keep every space battleship until it was destroyed or obsolete.

Suppose that a space realm has 1 industrialized planet capable of building 10 space battleship per year.

it could add 10 space battleships to its space fleet every year, and keep every space battleship until it was destroyed or obsolete.

Suppose that a space realm has 10 industrialized planets each capable of building 1 space battleship per year.

it could add 10 space battleships to its space fleet every year, and keep every space battleship until it was destroyed or obsolete.

Suppose that a space realm has 10 industrialized planets each capable of building 10 space battleships per year.

it could add 100 space battleships to its space fleet every year, and keep every space battleship until it was destroyed or obsolete.

Suppose that a space realm has 100 industrialized planets each capable of building 10 space battleships per year.

it could add 1,000 space battleships to its space fleet every year, and keep every space battleship until it was destroyed or obsolete.

Suppose that a space realm has 1,000 industrialized planets each capable of building 1 space battleship per year.

it could add 100 space battleships to its space fleet every year, and keep every space battleship until it was destroyed or obsolete.

Suppose that an interstellar realm has 1,000 industrialized planets each capable of building 10 space battleships per year.

Then it could add 10,000 space battles to its space navy each year, and keep them unil they are destroyed in battle or become obsolete.

And so on and so on.

An intersellar power with 1,000,000 industrialized planets each capable of building 1 to 10 space battleships per year could add 1,000,000 to 10,000,000 space battleships to its fleet every year. And yet still be only a tiny dot on a map of the Milky Way Galaxy.

In E.E. Smith's Lensman series the governments which ruled two separate galaxies fought each other with space fleets of millions of space battleships.

In the Star trek: Deep Space Nine episode "Sacrifice of Angels", in a major strategic battle, the Federation and allies had 600 ships and the Dominion and allies had 1,200 ships engaged. If those were about 10 percent of their side's total forces, the Federation and allies would have about 6,000 total ships and the Dominion would have about 12,000 ships in the Alpha Quadrant.

And I think there was a Dominion fleet of reinforcments of 2,000 ships coming through the wormhole. If that fleet was 1 to 10 percent of the total Dominion space navy, the Dominion would have had a total of 20,000 to 200,000 space warships.

The small space fleets combined with the allegedly large galactic regions that the various powers supposedly rule shows the truth of the TV Tropes tropes:

Writers Cannot Do Math

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WritersCannotDoMath[2]

and Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale[3].

Since I can do the math and do have a sense of scale, I say that there must be tens, hundreds, and thousands, of times as many powerful and important interstellar realms in the Alpha Quadrant as the ones seen in various Star Trek productions.

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  • I am aware of this, and I know that only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of 1 % is shown in ENT, TNG, DS9 and TOS, but I am asking which ones were they speaking of in the search, and what are the 12-15 that are interacting in this area.
    – Rainbow
    Jul 12, 2021 at 22:01
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    This reads like a rant rather an answer that addresses the question being asked.
    – Valorum
    Jul 13, 2021 at 17:54

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