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We get a few fight scenes between Loki and Thor in the MCU. Usually Thor gets the upper hand, but it always seems to me that it's mostly thanks to the fact he has Mjölnir, while Loki posses some weaker weapon.

Is there a definite answer to who is stronger, when weaponless - Thor or Loki? (In the MCU).

I don't mean to say when Thor is "Mjölnirless" like in the first film, and hence essentially powerless. I just mean to say if Mjölnir happens to not be around.

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    Spoilery stuff ahead - I can't remember if Thor had a weapon when he fought Hulk in the arena. Iirc they were fairly well matched. Hulk in one film almost literally wiped the floor with Loki "Puny god!". Based on this is say Thor could trash Loki. But as I say I can't remember if he was weaponless Vs Hulk. Jul 19 at 17:13
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    @WiggotheWookie There's also the fact that Thor knew he was about to get into a fight (even if he didn't know it would be against Hulk) and was physically and mentally prepared. Loki (IIRC) was still mid-boast when Hulk attacked him and was completely taken by surprise.
    – F1Krazy
    Jul 19 at 17:19
  • @WiggotheWookie Then the power hierarchy is inconsistent, since it every fight between the Thor and Loki, they were at least more or less evenly matched, even when Thor had Mjolnir.
    – Wade
    Jul 19 at 17:45
  • I just watched the video in LogicDictates answer. I'd forgotten that Thor had experienced a floor wiping at the hands of Hulk too. So ignore my original comment I guess. Jul 19 at 18:38
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I don't think Thor's showings against Loki in the first Thor and Avengers movies accurately reflect how they compare in strength, as Thor essentially stated in Thor: The Dark World that he was holding back in those fights.

You should know that when we fought each other in the past, I did so with a glimmer of hope that my brother was still in there somewhere. That hope no longer exists to protect you. You betray me and I will kill you.

If you compare them by their wider records, Thor looks easily the stronger of the two. This is especially noticeable when you look at their respective showings against the Hulk in the first Avengers movie and Thor: Ragnarok. In the latter movie, Thor was on the receiving end of the same "puny god" attack that Loki took from the Hulk in the former movie, and endured it far better than his adoptive brother.

In another scene from Thor: Ragnarok, Thor forced Loki to stand between him and a returning Mjolnir, threatening to allow it to decapitate him if he didn't drop his Odin disguise. If Loki were Thor's equal in strength, he should've been able to break his grip there, considering that Thor was only using one hand.

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  • Regarding both Hulk fights F1Krazy’s comment is still worth keeping in mind. “There's also the fact that Thor knew he was about to get into a fight (even if he didn't know it would be against Hulk) and was physically and mentally prepared. Loki (IIRC) was still mid-boast when Hulk attacked him and was completely taken by surprise.”
    – TheLethalCarrot
    Jul 19 at 18:04
  • Yes, we should keep in mind what F1Krazy said. I'm not quite convinced by this comparison either.
    – Wade
    Jul 19 at 18:09
  • We should also keep in mind that, as far as I understand, the Hulk's strength is extremely variable. Perhaps he was less angry on the day he fought Thor than when he attacked Loki. I do agree, however, that it is possible Thor held back during his fights with Loki, so that's not conclusive evidence either. Perhaps this is intentionally left vague...
    – Wade
    Jul 19 at 18:10
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    @TheLethalCarrot - Loki knew he was in a fight as well. The Hulk had just knocked him through a window and into a wall when he made his "dull creature" speech. Sure, he seemingly (and foolishly) dropped his guard when he made that speech, but so apparently did Thor, when he attempted to calm the Hulk down using Natasha's 'lullably' trick, from Avengers: Age of Ultron. Take a look at the dopey smile on his face just before the Hulk grabs his leg and starts wiping the floor with him; he clearly thought his attempt at calming the Hulk down was working. Jul 19 at 18:11
  • @Wade - What leads you to believe that the Hulk's strength is "extremely variable" within the MCU? It's certainly true in the comics, but if you're discounting the comics where Thor is concerned, the same should be done where the Hulk is concerned as well. Jul 19 at 18:16

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