My understanding of Tolkien mythology is that Eru created the Ainur and the first 14 Ainur are called the Valar who together sang the Universe into being. But the Maiar are also Ainur who live on Arda (the Earth). When were the Maiar created? Were they created simultaneously with the Valar or afterward by Eru or the Valar?

If they were created all at once, that must mean that the Balrogs were just hanging out with everyone at the dawn of the Universe.

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    In 1972. Eru was partying and met a chick who was "down to boogy" so to speak. After smoking some fine Kush, the retreated to the romantic venue of the backseat (this was a pre-OPEC automobile, it's not nearly as cramped as it sounds). 9 months later, millituplets were born.
    – John O
    Commented Nov 1, 2012 at 20:21

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The Ainulindalë, which describes the creation myth of Arda, does not make a distinction between which Ainur were created first, stating:

There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Ilúvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made.

Or, without the flowery language, I read that is all Ainur—Valar and Maiar alike—were created before anything else, including the Great Music and the Flame Imperishable. It's not until well after Arda was created that who counts as Valar is described (emphasis mine):

Then it came to pass that of the Ainur some abode still with Ilúvatar beyond the confines of the World; but others, and among them many of the greatest and most fair, took the leave of Ilúvatar and descended into it. But this condition Ilúvatar made, or it is the necessity of their love, that their power should thenceforward be contained and bounded in the World, to be within it for ever, until it is complete, so that they are its life and it is theirs. And therefore they are named the Valar, the Powers of the World.

Or rather, the most powerful of the Ainur who descended into Arda became the Valar. The "lesser" Ainur came with them, acting as their entourage so to speak, as described in the Valaquenta:

With the Valar came other spirits whose being also began before the World, of the same order as the Valar but of less degree. These are the Maiar, the people of the Valar, and their servants and helpers.

This passage also confirms the Maiar were created before everything else, which would include the Balrogs and other Maiar we classify as "evil": it wasn't until after the descent did Melkor rebel and force everyone to choose sides, or as described in the Silmarillion chapter, "Of the Coming of Elves and the Captivity of Melkor":

And in Utumno [Melkor] gathered his demons about him, those spirits who first adhered to him in the days of his splendour, and became most like him in his corruption: their hearts were of fire, but they were cloaked in darkness, and terror went before them; they had whips of flame. Balrogs they were named in Middle-earth in later days.

  • So does this mean that the term 'Valar' refers to the Ainur who entered Arda? The description you've given almost makes it sound like they are trapped in the world.
    – CGP Grey
    Commented Nov 1, 2012 at 20:24
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    @C.G.P.Grey: The Valar are simply the 14 (15, counting Melkor/Morgoth) most powerful of the Ainur who entered the world, with the Maiar being the rest. And yes, they are trapped.
    – jwodder
    Commented Nov 1, 2012 at 20:27
  • @C.G.P.Grey What jwodder said. :) I updated my answer a bit to describe more of the distinction given your update and comment.
    – user366
    Commented Nov 1, 2012 at 20:32
  • @jwodder So then all the Ainur participated in the Ainulindalë. This makes the distinction between the Valar and the Maiar somewhat meaningless. Though all the Maiar still 'belong' to one of the Valar, do they not?
    – CGP Grey
    Commented Nov 1, 2012 at 20:33
  • Thanks for the updated description, Mark. Got it.
    – CGP Grey
    Commented Nov 1, 2012 at 20:38

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