In the Akallabêth, Elvish emissaries speak to the King of Númenor and others about what would happen if they came to Aman:

'The Doom of the World,' they said, 'One alone can change who made it. And were you so to voyage that escaping all deceits and snares you came indeed to Aman, the Blessed Realm, little would it profit you. For it is not the land of Manwë that makes its people deathless, but the Deathless that dwell therein have hallowed the land; and there you would but wither and grow weary the sooner, as moths in a light too strong and steadfast.'

Did this happen to Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, and Gimli when they came to Aman?

Some of the answers to the question Did the Ring Bearers and Gimli die in Valinor? mention this passage. One answer cites it as evidence that mortals eventually die in Valinor, but without touching on the "dies more quickly" part. Another answer, one with few upvotes for whatever reason, makes the case that Frodo and the others dwelt on Tol Eressëa rather than Valinor proper, where perhaps the hallowedness would be less lethal to mortals.

Yet another answer to the same question cites a letter from Tolkien himself which says that Frodo et al would eventually pass away voluntarily after experiencing a "purgatory" of peace and healing. Peace and healing is the goal of their journey in The Return of the King (well, for Frodo at least), but I can't really reconcile that with the passage from the Akallabêth.

Is there a way to harmonize all of the above information? I can think of only two ways, and neither are very satisfying:

  • Frodo and the others lived in an area where the blessedness did not negatively affect them, as in one of the cited answers above. Perhaps this means the Valar, and perhaps also the Maiar, had to stay away from them so they didn't wither up like moths.
  • They experienced shorter lives than they would have had they stayed in Middle-Earth, but the peace and healing they experienced in the meantime made it a worthwhile sacrifice. ...But then I suppose that this approach runs afoul of the "little would it profit you" passage above.
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    Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, and Gimli never went to Aman! See my answer here.
    – Spencer
    Commented Apr 9, 2023 at 20:01
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    Does this answer your question? Did the Ring Bearers and Gimli die in Valinor?
    – DavidW
    Commented Apr 9, 2023 at 21:25
  • @Spencer I had already linked to your answer, and incorporated aspects of it into my question.
    – Sean
    Commented Apr 10, 2023 at 2:02
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    @DavidW No, it's clear that they all did die eventually. My question is whether the environment of Valinor affected them adversely.
    – Sean
    Commented Apr 10, 2023 at 2:03
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    @Spencer Your answer asserts only that they never went to Valinor, distinguishing it from Aman. Letters strongly implies Frodo did indeed enter Aman. (Whether Eressëa counts as part of Aman is a different matter…) Commented Apr 10, 2023 at 8:14

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Two points:

First, the words of the Elves are to the King of Numenor. They are not addressing all mortals, but carrying a message to Numenor and specifically the king. When they say "and there you would but wither and grow weary the sooner" they may well have been speaking to Ar Pharazon himself and, perhaps, to others who have fallen so far from the grace of their distant ancestors that the light and the very air of Aman would hurt him.

Recall, how Gollum is hurt by light and by Elvish things like Lembas and rope, and how Orcs fear sunlight and trolls are turned to stone by it. The more powerful Witch King, who could endure light, is driven away at Weathertop by the name of Elbereth:

...all blades perish that pierce that dreadful King. More deadly to him was the name of Elbereth.'

Shelob, daughter of Ungoliant, could tolerate even the name of Elbereth:

Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! he cried, and knew not what he had spoken...

But other potencies there are in Middle-earth, powers of night, and they are old and strong. And She that walked in the darkness had heard the Elves cry that cry far back in the deeps of time, and she had not heeded it, and it did not daunt her now.

But Frodo carried the phial of Galadriel whose light was the light of Earendil's star, itself the light of a Silmaril and, ultimately, the light of the Two Trees. That light could daunt even her:

Then holding the star aloft and the bright sword advanced, Frodo, hobbit of the Shire, walked steadily down to meet the eyes.

They wavered. Doubt came into them as the light approached. One by one they dimmed, and slowly they drew back. No brightness so deadly had ever afflicted them before. From sun and moon and star they had been safe underground, but now a star had descended into the very earth. Still it approached, and the eyes began to quail. One by one they all went dark; they turned away, and a great bulk, beyond the light's reach, heaved its huge shadow in between. They were gone.

The fallen are hurt by the near presence -- even the name! -- of signs of the transcendent. The King of Numenor was not yet, perhaps, completely fallen, but it is easy to see how he might have been too far gone to be able to tolerate the undying lands. It does not follow from this that mortals less lost to evil would be so quickly or so badly affected.

Second, carrying the Ring to great peril to Rivendell changed Frodo and made him something other -- more? -- than a simple Hobbit. After he is cured of the Morgul wound by Elrond,

Gandalf moved his chair to the bedside, and took a good look at Frodo. The colour had come back to his face, and his eyes were clear, and fully awake and aware. He was smiling, and there seemed to be little wrong with him. But to the wizard's eye there was a faint change just a hint as it were of transparency, about him, and especially about the left hand that lay outside upon the coverlet.

'Still that must be expected,' said Gandalf to himself. 'He is not half through yet, and to what he will come in the end not even Elrond can foretell. Not to evil, I think. He may become like a glass filled with a clear light for eyes to see that can.'

This transparency was the result of Frodo's carrying the Ring and of the trials he underwent in the process. (It clearly was not the invisibility of a ringwraith -- Gandalf was not concerned when he saw it.) It is a visible manifestation of a spiritual change in him, and that change seems like it might be exactly what is needed to adapt a mortal to the Undying Lands so that that mortal can, for a time, endure -- and even by healed by -- the "light too strong and steadfast." And, likewise, Sam and Bilbo.

Added: As for Gimli, we don't know that he ever went to the Undying Lands. All we know is that the Red Book of Westmarch included a sceptical late note:

We have heard tell that Legolas took Gimli Glóin's son with him because of their great friendship, greater than any that has been between Elf and Dwarf. If this is true, then it is strange indeed: that a Dwarf should be willing to leave Middle-earth for any love, or that the Eldar should receive him, or that the Lords of the West should permit it. But it is said that Gimli went also out of desire to see again the beauty of Galadriel; and it may be that she, being mighty among the Eldar, obtained this grace for him. More cannot be said of this matter.

We just don't know.

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    In the passage quoted, it is Frodo who is smiling, not Gandalf.
    – Wastrel
    Commented Apr 9, 2023 at 15:30
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    @Wastrel: Fair enough, but it is still true that Gandalf saw the faint transparency as something potentially good, not the mark of the Ring's domination. (I've corrected my answer.)
    – Mark Olson
    Commented Apr 9, 2023 at 15:33
  • I think that in Ithilien Sam also notices something like this transparency.
    – PJTraill
    Commented Apr 11, 2023 at 7:49
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    Thanks, this is an amazing answer. I should really reread this masterwork (again).
    – Oliphaunt
    Commented Apr 11, 2023 at 23:02
  • I always understood the hint of transparency as the result of wraithification. I don't think we need to separate the invisibility of a ringwraith of the "Unseen World" from whatever state mortals experience in Aman. The High-Elves (from Aman) lived in both worlds (Seen and Unseen), and because of that Glorfindel was able to withstand the Wraiths. The Unseen World sounds like the plain spiritual world.
    – Eugene
    Commented Apr 13, 2023 at 13:14

The passage you quote does not say that mortals would wither and grow weary sooner than they would have in Middle Earth. As I read it, it says that they grow weary sooner than they would have if the "light", i.e. the proximity of the glory of the Blessed, were less intense. But also note that the Numenoreans were motivated by greed and envy; the proximity to the objects of their envy might indeed have eaten away at them all the worse. That would not apply to Frodo & Co., who were there for other reasons entirely (and by invitation for that matter).

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    I think this answer adds an important point. It's also worth noting that the Numenoreans may also have grown weary sooner in part because of the loss of hope - once they arrived in the Undying Lands and realized they were still aging, they would doubtless have been wracked by bitterness and despair, due to their failure to achieve their aim. Frodo would never have had that particular aim.
    – tbrookside
    Commented Apr 10, 2023 at 19:58

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