I'm rereading The Lord of the Rings. Appendix A, "Annals of the Kings and Rulers", tells us that Aragorn son of Arathorn spent part of his youth in Minas Tirith under the assumed name "Thorongil" serving under Ecthelion, Steward of Gondor.

Thorongil often warned Ecthelion not to put trust in Saruman the White in Isengard, but to welcome rather Gandalf the Grey.

Appendix B, "The Tale of Years", tells us,

2957-80 Aragorn undertakes his great journeys and errantries. As Thorongil he serves in disguise both Thengel of Rohan and Ecthelion II of Gondor.
10th July 3018 Gandalf imprisoned in Orthanc.
18th September 3018 Gandalf escapes from Orthanc in the early hours.
25th October 3018 Council of Elrond.

Saruman's treachery was not clear to anyone before the dispute with Gandalf in July 3018. And Aragorn did not learn of it till he and Gandalf met again in Rivendell in October. So why was Aragorn already suspicious of Saruman roughly 40 years earlier?

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    Just as one does not simply walk into Mordor, one does not simply turn from a leader of Istari tasked with helping Mankind to fight Sauron into a Sauron-apprentice. It takes ages to make that switch. Dec 13 '12 at 18:09
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    @DVK – unless Sauron has a Palantir to ensare you . . .
    – MadTux
    May 4 '13 at 14:12
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    @MadTux Sauron's influence is probably why the switch happened at all; there's no reason to suppose Sauron could subvert him instantly (or that doing so would be a good idea; why tip off your enemies immediately?).
    – chepner
    Dec 14 '18 at 13:55

Not sure where this is in the annals, but it says in the Tolkien Companion by J.E.A. Tyler that:

Saruman made his first deliberate move in this direction (toward imposing his will, which was forbidden of the Istari) in the year 2759 Third Age, when he appeared at the Coronation of King Frealaf of Rohan, successor of the mighty Helm Hammerhand. The Wizard brough with him rich presents, and declared himself the friend of Rohan and gondor, and a little later was able to persuade Steward Beren of Gondor to grant him the Keys of Orthanc, the mighty Tower which, together with its fortress of Isengard, commanded the strategic Gap of Rohan. All thought this was a welcome move.

All, that is, except a weary ranger who would see everything given up by Gondor as a challenge to its power.

And it further says that

all the time the Wizard was secretly searching the Tower of Orthanc for a long-lost treasure of the Dunedain ... the Palantir of Orthanc.

Then in 2851 the White Council met to think of ways to stop Sauron from coming back

Saruman, hoping that the Ring would expose its location if Sauron were left unharassed, deliberately overruled a strong recommendation (from Gandalf) ... that Dol Guldur be attacked.

By his actions, Gandalf may have suspected that Saruman was up to something, although I don't think Gandalf even knew of the Ring.

So, either through his own understanding of the Palantir through the lore of his people or through his association with Gandalf, Aragorn was more naturally suspicious than Gandalf and I think it makes sense that he'd know something was amiss well before anyone else had reason to suspect.

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    It seems unlikely that Círdan would have given his ring to Gandalf without explaining its history, including the existence of the One Ring.
    – chepner
    Dec 14 '18 at 14:02
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    @chepner More than that, it is certain that Gandalf, being a Maiar, would know of Sauron and his history, especially considering the Istari were specifically sent to Middle Earth to assist Elves, Men, and Dwarves in their struggle against Sauron. It is not said that Eru was prone to Albus Dumbledore levels of secrecy and isolation.
    – TylerH
    Dec 14 '18 at 20:14

Perhaps Aragorn took his lead from Galadriel, who apparently mistrusted Saruman from the get-go and had 1900 years to study him. Also, Gandalf was a friend and advisor to Aragorn's family and community, not to mention Aragorn himself. Saruman by 2957 had to have already been fully turned by Sauron, breeding Uruk-hai and building his war machine, and so wouldn't have welcomed the young heir of Isildur with open arms.

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    I think this is a sensible explanation - we know that Aragorn did spend time in Lorien and Galadriel might have been as big an influence on him as Gandalf.
    – Amarth
    Nov 15 '18 at 17:49

Aragorn's opinion seems to be at that point that Gondor's preparations for war should be guided by Gandalf instead of Saruman. While he wouldn't have known then that Saurman was a traitor, his open strategies in opposing the Enemy were now--in Aragon's opinion--inferior to those of Gandalf. He was saying that he thought that General X's ideas were better than those of General Y.


Also, don't forget Aragorn had the gift of foresight. I'm not saying he had a vision or anything like that, he just may have had a strong feeling that Saruman was not the way to go. Plus what everyone else said.

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    Not just foresight; certainly Aragorn possessed the Numenorean ability to 'see into the hearts' of others, just as Denethor and Faramir did. And he must not have liked what he saw in Saruman, even if he hadn't overtly done anything to arouse suspicion.
    – LAK
    Apr 3 '15 at 16:48

I would say rather that he didn't mistrust Saruman, but Saruman was blocking Gandalf's suggestions at every turn (at the White Council)... being friends with Gandalf, Aragorn probably had heard of this. No doubt Aragorn too had knowledge that Sauron had returned (and Saruman kept saying he hadn't and that the One Ring would never be found).


Echoing the answer regarding Galadriel's inherent distrust of Saruman, Aragorn by his upbringing would also have known that Cirdan the Shipwright entrusted Gandalf -- and not Saruman -- with one of the Elven rings of power. The elven suspicion of Saruman's cunning likely bore upon his attitude.


Aside from the answer that Aragorn had special powers of precognition beyond even those of a normal dunedain or even Numenorean (Tolkien writes that Aragorn despite the thousands of years was more like Isildur than any of his forefathers... almost an atavistic throwback to a "pureblood" Numenorean lord with all of their superpowers). Keep in mind that even Denethor is described as having insight and precognition beyond mortal men to perceive upcoming events (even Faramir had precog dreams and understanding) and Aragorn was way beyond them both. For example, as the true owner of the palantir he was able to contend looking into it versus Sauron himself.

But even removing Aragorn's special insight, from a tactical standpoint, in terms of judgement, Aragorn agreed with Gandalf and differed with Saruman not because he was Gandalf's friend or politics but the opposite. In reality Saruman was wrong, Denethor was wrong. Their strats and their plots were destined to failure. Aragorn and Gandalf were on the same page and became friends BECAUSE they understood correctly what had to be done, it is not that they agreed because they were having a friend's back in an argument.

Gandalf was always preaching proactive action, before Sauron built his strength. Saruman was always contending against action. So obviously striking early was the right tactic and so obviously Aragorn would have advocated that and supported all who also advocated the correct strat. Saruman hoped to contend with Sauron for power, to delay and delay and once the contenders had all battled themselves out to use the ring to overthrow Sauron to create a great new world as Saruman envisioned. This was the wrong tactic, it could have never worked, and so obviously Aragorn would have seen very early that Saruman, for whatever reason was not in it to win it, and with Gondor as his main priority Aragorn would have seen what a massive danger this course of action would have provided.

In this section, Tolkien writes that Aragorn and Denethor... alike almost like kin in appearance, nobility, strength and intelligence... agreed on everything they advised the Steward except Saruman. This makes sense because Denethor was a masterful man one of the best in Middle Earth of the era. He was a future Steward and had a large amount of the Numenorean pureblood DNA. And Denethor had Gondor's best interest at heart. But the only thingd where he failed is in 2 areas. First he could not win the hearts of men, and the people of Gondor like Aragorn naturally did (as the rightful King and their destined leader). and in this most important question of Sauron and the matter of the Ring, he lacked the very elite level of insight of the proper course of action... compared to Aragorn, the Heir to Isuldir and the rightful King. Keep in mind that this was a question that almost no one could master... including all of the Wise, and the Elven council. Only the rightful King, the final White Wizard, the Ringbearers and Galadriel had the "virtue" and the nobility to understand the mission. this again shows the separation from the Rightful King, and the pretender, no matter how noble and well-intentioned he might be

Finally, from a literary standpoint, that sentence even from a stylistic standpoint sets up Aragorn and Gandalf as foils, against Denethor and Saruman. It is a chance to link the sort of virtue and plain right-thinking of the 2 heroes versus the 2 tragic and misguided figures.

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