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Warning: Spoilers allowed in answers

Ever since The Eye of the World prologue, Ishamael/Moridin seems to channel the True Power exclusively.

We know that Elan Morin Tedronai was considered Lews Therin's equal in the One Power. But I'm working on a theory for why

Rand couldn't channel Saidin after 'switching bodies' with Moridin.

So, do we ever see Elan Morin, either as Ishamael or Moridin, actually wield Saidin?


Just got back from a vacation to the US. I was lucky enough to be in San Diego when Brandon Sanderson was signing, so I asked him. He "MAFO'd" this specific question. So I asked if Moridin was in fact no able to channel Saidin. He responded with a grin and, "That's a very good question." I think this might be the new form of RAFO.

So, if we could find an instance of Moridin channeling Saidin, then this question can be put to bed. If not, it might suggest that he couldn't, but it's not proof.

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  • Is your suggestion where it (e.g. The Guide) says Elan was Lews Therin's equal in the One Power, the text actually means Saidar? – NikolaiDante Jan 31 '13 at 21:22
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    I'm working on the theory that Moridin could only channel the True Power. – Anthony Feb 1 '13 at 1:12
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I'm trying to keep the spoilers low, but it's really hard - book 7 matter discussed below.

I think we did. I don't have a specific quote for that though.

Check the end of The Great Hunt and The Dragon Reborn maybe? We have battles with Ishamael, and I don't remember Rand remarking use of True Power or any hints of that in the text.

Early in the books, Ishamael isn't allowed exclusive use to True Power vs the other Forsaken.

Only when coming back as Moridin is he annointed as the Nae'blis, and given unlimited access to the True Power while at the same time the others denied.

Rand is surprised when they meet

at Shadar Logoth

that he didn't feel him at all. IMHO, he wouldn't have been if previous encounters had been similar.


After re-reading the ending of TDR, I think Rand is feeling Ishamael channel Saidin, when he copies what he does to enter Tel'aran'rhiod. The actual words used by RJ are ambiguous, because Rand isn't still knowledgeable enough about Saidin, but it seems unlikely (IMHO) that Rand at this stage would feel the "warping of reality" that opening a Travelling portal causes rather than the actual weaving of the Power.

It's still weak evidence, and is certainly debatable.

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  • I think in your first spoiler block you mean The Dragon Reborn not tSR. At the time Rand thought Ba'alzamon was the DO, so not feeling him channel wasn't unusual. – NikolaiDante Jan 31 '13 at 13:24
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    I will have to go back and read the specific passages, but I'm still not sure if he's channeling Saidin. – Anthony Jan 31 '13 at 13:38
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    Note that Ishy was definitely using the true power as Ishamel, as the flame-eyes effect that Rand sees early on was almost certainly an effect of the saa that comes from True-Power channeling. I think Lanfear even mentions Ishy's heavy use of the TP at one point. – KutuluMike Jan 31 '13 at 19:02
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    @jv42 Aha, and this is shortly after he re-emerged as Moridin. So maybe Moridin couldn't channel the One Power at all? – Anthony Feb 1 '13 at 5:21
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    @jv42 True, it's pretty suspicious. It could also be because it touches on the epilogue, and Brandon seems to be deliberately tight-lipped about anything to do with the ending. – Anthony Feb 24 '13 at 22:15
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Yes.

I know this is a late answer to an old question, but I was doing some unrelated review of A Memory of Light and there is (what I feel to be) an incontestable example:

Moridin scooped Callandor up off the floor. It burst alight with the One Power. [...] He trailed off, then looked up at the sword, perhaps in awe. "It can amplify the True Power. A True Power sa'angreal? How? Why? He laughed louder. [...] The sword's glow turned a violent crimson. Rand could feel the power emanating from Moridin as he drew in the True Power. (AMoL, page 975).

This example is pretty straightforward. As a sa'angreal, Callandor's only purpose is to amplify the amount of the One Power that can be drawn by its wielder. Angreal and sa'angreal are useless to people that can't channel, unlike some ter'angreal. The sequence of events makes it clear that

Moridin draws Saidin through Callandor first. This is the only explanation for it suddenly bursting alight. At this point Moridin does not know that he can draw the True Power through it as well, so it cannot be glowing due to using that instead. Soon after, when he realizes that Callandor can amplify the True Power as well as Saidin, he does so, and the light emanating from Callandor changes to a violent crimson.

So here we have a pretty airtight indication that

Up to the point immediately preceding his death, Moridin can still draw on Saidin.

As we know from Slayer's narration, ability to channel the One Power cannot be granted by the Dark One. Thus, since he can do so at that moment, Ishamael/Moridin must have been able to draw on Saidin at all prior points in time as well.

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    Nice catch, this seems definitive enough. – jv42 Feb 1 '20 at 9:29
  • @jv42 It really helped to have access to the completed series :) – Upper_Case Feb 1 '20 at 16:32

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