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In the Star Trek Universe where did the Q come from? I mean before they were Q in the Q Continuum? In Star Trek Voyager you learn that the race is somewhat intolerant of individualism (in the episode of the Q Civil War) but Q also suggest they have always been Q. Is that statement true, have the Q always been the Q? or were they a race that evolved into omniscience?

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They are a race that became sufficiently advanced. They're likely one of the first races, and their technology advanced over a very long time.

It's entirely possible that they then traveled time and wiped out evidence of their prior existence, and began living outside of time.

If the Q existed at the beginning of time (thanks to time travel) and still exist at the end of time, and can visit any point in the timeline, it's not inaccurate to say they "have always existed and will always exist", despite there being a time (in THEIR timeline) when they did not exist as they are.

Also, I don't think they posses omniscience - they've just been around a Really Long Time.

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    Warning: TVTropes link. Prepare to lose hours. – Jeff Apr 28 '11 at 12:39
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    Q lies. A LOT. If the Q were truly omniscient, then Q could never be surprised by any of Jean-Luc's actions...or anyone else's. – Jeff Apr 28 '11 at 12:42
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    @Justin: Q said so himself, essentially. They've never claimed to be gods, or other supernatural entities, they've always held that they were once as humans are - Q, Q (from Voyager), Junior, and the entire Continuum agreed on this. – Jeff Apr 29 '11 at 12:44
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    Their "omniscience" could be explained by the "fishbowl" effect, whereby they can perceive the entirety of spacetime by observing from outside it. – Chad Levy Nov 3 '11 at 10:04
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    Q is kind enough to explain himself in I, Q (by John deLancie :D): "When I first encountered Picard, I presented myself as Q the questioner. And so I am: I probe, I dissect, I seek knowledge by testing lesser beings (of which there are a staggering number). But if I am truly omniscient, then what need is there for such interrogations? The results should be preordained and known to me, involving no more mystery than, say, an “experiment” involving an ice cube tossed on a skillet. My oh my, what will the poor ice cube’s fate be, we wonder? " ...cont. -> – BMWurm Aug 20 '14 at 17:49
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There is no canon explanation for the method by which the Q became as they are, nor is there any evidence to suggest that they were once humans from Earth.

The Q known as Quinn, in the episode "Death Wish" identifies that the Q's present state (as super-powerful beings) was not always the case;

At the beginning of the new era, life as a Q was a constant dialogue of discovery and issues and humor from all over the universe. But look at them now, listen to their dialogue now.

The Star Trek Encyclopedia states that the New Era began approximately 10,000 years previously. Assuming the New Era marks the point at which they gained godlike powers, there must by definition have been an "old era" in which they were not possessed of these powers.

Quinn also does away with the supposition that the Q are omnipotent;

Quinn : You mustn't think of us as omnipotent, no matter what The Continuum would like you to believe. You and your ship seem incredibly powerful to life-forms without your technical expertise. It's no different with us. We may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not.

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Q (John de Lancie) flatly contradicts this in the Voyager episode "The Q and the Grey" when he tells Janeway;

Q: The Q didn't come into existence. The Q have always existed

At this point, it's worth stressing that although this conflicts with Q's article in the Trek Encyclopedia, his prior record of truth-telling is pretty questionable.

He also confirms (in TNG "Hide and Q") that although humanity is of interest to the Q because of our long-term potential, humans may some day be like the Q rather than actually becoming Q.

Q: At Farpoint we saw you as savages only. We discovered instead that you are unusual creatures in your own limited ways. Ways which in time will not be so limited.

RIKER: We're growing. Something about us compels us to learn, explore.

Q: Yes, the human compulsion. And unfortunately for us, it is a power which will grow stronger century after century, aeon after aeon.

RIKER: Aeons. Have you any idea how far we'll advance?

Q: Perhaps in a future that you cannot yet conceive, even beyond us.

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First of all, to consider Q in terms we can truly grasp, we have to think linearly. But simply put, and for all practicality, they simply ARE gods and have always been. Any effort to explain further is mere speculation. Even to draw upon quotes of their dialog may require some philosophical interpretation. For example: Quinn says: "As the Q have evolved, we've sacrificed many things along the way, not just manners, but mortality and a sense of purpose and a desire for change and a capacity to grow. Each loss is a new vulnerability, wouldn't you say?" - and Quinn thinks that is explanation of why Q are not truly omnipotent.

To say they are not omniscient because they are surprised by anything is like saying Sisko can beat up a Q, The best explanation is, Q can 'withdraw' from his powers of invulnerability just as he can withdraw from knowing everything. Omniscience may simply work like saying, I don't know what time it is, because I don't look at the clock; At this moment, I don't wish to know, but if I need to, it is well within my power to draw upon this knowledge.

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As the Q exist outside of time, there is no reason to assume that they have yet evolved into omniscience. Star Trek has frequently shown that humanity and other humanoid species were seeded from a common elder race - see TNG: The Chase. As we've seen many cases of successful inter-humanoid breeding (Human, Klingon, Vulcan, Romulan, etc.), it seems likely that given a few million years, they might evolve into a single species. Given a few million more that species could become Q.

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For a race of their advancement, the Q are entirely too concerned with humans--particularly from Earth-- to be a race of their own. That would be like scientists being concerned with a particular amoeba.

The best speculative (no canon proof) explanation is that the Q used to BE humans from Earth, but somehow got super-powers like Gary Mitchell in the TOS episode "Where No Man has Gone Before," and so now they have a fascination with humans that they can't explain.

They also appeared after Kirk's time, so this incident would have to take place sometime between the two eras. The fact that it happened sometime during the war between the Federation and Klingon-Romulan alliance, would indicate that it was a Federation military experiment gone wrong, for example they tried to replicate the Gary Mitchell incident to gain advanced powers, as a 23rd-century "Manhattan Project."

As seen in the episode, the Q, like Gary Mitchell, would become irresponsible in their powers, and therefore dangerous-- unlike other super-advanced races such as the Organians and the Metrons, who were peaceful and civilized, they'd become immature and reckless like Trelane of Gothos, another young super-being.

A good guess would be that Kirk was against such an experiment, and had the power and influence in order to stop it regardless of the need; but after he was believed dead, then someone like Section 31 could go ahead with it... that could even be the man who turned out to be Q, along with the rest of the Q-- all former members of Section 31 and the experiment, who lost their memory of the incident in the process.

Otherwise, it's silly to concede that such an advanced actual civilization would be concerned with Earthlings.

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    Interesting speculation. Is there any canonical basis for it? – Keith Thompson Jun 5 '12 at 5:54
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    As far as we know, Q is interested only in humans because we only see episodes about Q interacting with humans. That is, there may be any (uncountable) number of species in galaxies across the universe that Q interacts with at the same times for the same reasons; but we have no reason to see those interactions. And existing out of time implies that any single Q could continue going back in time and living through the age of the universe again to interact with a different species each time, needing perhaps a few hundred billion cycles before even being in the same galaxy. – user2338816 Jun 2 '14 at 8:59
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    That would be like scientists being concerned with a particular amoeba. scientists micro specialize all the time. – user16696 Mar 8 '15 at 5:37
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    also, it's really only one Q who is fascinated by humans - there are plenty of other Q's in the continuum, perhaps each with their own concerns over a particular amoeba – user2813274 Aug 24 '15 at 20:35
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    Guinan recognizes Q. This seems to be evidence against this theory. – Junuxx Sep 29 '15 at 9:28
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I like many of the answers here, but none of them are complete despite being so detailed.

It's as simple as this, once the Q became transcendent, time became meaningless in the sense that the Q continuum now spans the entire continuum of existence including time from end to end if there is such a thing. Although you could place their origin on a timeline perhaps, once they transcended that origin becomes a rather meaningless detail that can't even be called history anymore.

Transcendence might have happened (past tense) 5 billion years in our future. We might be pre-historic Q. We don't know, and I don't think the Q know or remember either, or perhaps it's just something they don't tell us, but may have eluded to here or there guiding us toward our bright future.

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I would say that being that Qs are out of time means that they would have no concept of a waste of time. So they would not see playing with humans, as Q did, as a waste of time becas they hve time to do anything. I seem to recall that the whole thrust of Q speaking to humans was not truly to judge but to learn from them. To see what makes humans strive, what make humans want to be better than they already are. So if the Qs were on the look out for desirable and promising species it would seem, from Roddenberry's point of view, that humans would be on the top of the list.

As too them actually being human, I don't think that is likely. This is because the entirety of the evidence to conclude that, is that Q's weren't around during TOS. The real reason being that Roddenberry hadn't solidified his ideas about supreme beings at the time. But you can see he wrestled with the ideas of supreme beings a couple of times and eventually took the characteristics of all of them and made one entity, Qs. What is more likely is that they were once human like, perhaps even the seed species mentioned earlier. And before they transcended into another dimension of being they left behind everything that is in the episode, "The Chase".

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According to the timeline of the Star Trek books it states:

"2 Billion BCE - Beings, known as the Q Continuum, had manifested recently as a creative force to “oppose” the destructive potential of the Omega Continuum after it had been disrupted and the decay of the universe had accelerated. Unfortunately, the Q Continuum were unaware of how powerful they were and had caused whole solar systems to explode or disintergrate while they tried vainly to halt the growth of universal decay."

Hope that helps some.

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    What book is this from? – Izkata Aug 20 '14 at 22:47
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    what book are we talking about here? – Malachi Jan 27 '15 at 19:24
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There is a good book call Q-Squared. In it God, and I mean God, made all the universe and went sleep the Q guarded his power and used part of it. The book had Q's son break in to it and try to steal God's power. So in a weird way it makes sense. That's why they somewhat behave.

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My inkling is that the Q started out as an early race in our own universe; it has been stated in canon series that the Q evolved and by Quinn himself that the Q are not God like beings, they just appear that way, due to humans lower level of development.

I would wager that as the Q evolved they developed Psionic abilities; as these beings reach the higher end of the psionic scale, they eventually transform themselves in to beings of pure energy. The general assumption is that beings of pure energy do not have technology, they simply exist and can control the universe at will. I would suggest that is in direct contradiction to our understanding and the established nature of the Trek universe.

I would suggest that the Q Continuum is indeed a separate dimension or perhaps a different universe from our own. The Q as they evolved learned how to access this new realm, a realm that’s nature is perhaps more natural to beings of pure energy than our own. I would also suggest that this dimension, or universe maintains its own form of time. We have NEVER seen any evidence that the Q can time travel within their own Continuum. We HAVE seen evidence that our can time travel with in our universe.

I would further suggest that to the Q our universe is observable and quantifiable; I would suggest that the Q possess technology far advanced to our own (Q civil war in Voyager suggested that they had weaponry of their own, thereby implying technology or some equivalent Q version). With this in mind I would suggest the Q are able to use that technology to traverse our space and time and therefore have the ability to map our known universe (to what degree who knows but it has been inferred in trek that they may have limits).

Q as a species are immortal to under developed lifeforms, but mortal to their own kind or beings at the same or near level of Q advancement. Potentially speaking the Q have Psionic abilities, but these abilities are also supplemented by Q technology and a more complete understanding, nay mapping of their own universe. It is also possible that their existence in our universe is not absolute, but a representation of some kind (think holographic, yet more complex).

It is possible that a Q simply maintains a connection back to the Q Continuum and this Continuum acts as a supercomputer or racial conscious collective, allowing an individual Q to use the gained knowledge of others. We have seen evidence that the Q are able to have their powers “taken away”; I would suggest that the link back to the Continuum is severed, the knowledge they possess therefore becomes their own individual. I would also suggest that the limits of the species natural Psionic abilities are “suspended” as we have seen in Voyager that Tuvok had his telepathic abilities medically disabled as well as parts of his brain to suppress his emotions, it is likely the same approach can be taken with an individual Q by The Continuum.

That being said, a combination of Psionic abilities and technology far beyond ourselves and our universe allows the Q to manipulate our universe at will (to what extent it is unknown). They also apparently have the ability to create pocket dimensions or universes, whether these can be long lived or have a limited life span is not known.

Magic doesn’t exist, but the potential for technology and a species to become totally interwoven can exist, thereby the difference between being and technology is indistinguishable.

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I believe the Q are a possible off-shoot mutant psychic race of humanity that yes was experimented upon to expand their psychic powers exponentially to the point where they became a cosmic race....The Traveler from Tao Alpha C....tells Wesley Crusher this that only a select of humans took this cosmic journey to the next level where thought and energy exist as one. Hence, Wesley took the first step out of time and space and went with the Traveler to explore other planes of existence. I believe that human mutants like Wesley who went "cosmic" are the race of the Q Continuum. Hence, for them them to become cosmic and be a part of the all-knowing source of higher consciousness they believe that they have always been this way. They became a part of the "I am that I am higher consciousness. Just like LUCY did in the movie LUCY 2014. LUCY technically was the first human to become like a "Q" that we know of.

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    "LUCY technically was the first human to become like a "Q" that we know of." ...I'm at a loss for words. – DCShannon Apr 6 '16 at 22:29
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I've always had a theory on the Q and why they are semi obsessed with humans. It's because they were once human and from earth, but from a parallel universe. TNG did confirme that parallel universes do exist. My theory is that in the Q's universe on their earth, they began life millions of years before we did on our earth. They figured out the multi-verse thing, and started visiting them. They found that in this universe they were WAYYY more advanced than anyone else in this one, to the point of being God like, so some of them stayed. They continued to evolve eventually becoming the continuum. Once that happened and they existed out of time, they they were changed in such a fundamental way, they "forgot" they were once human. That is why they have an unexplained pull towards humanity. This is just a theory I had

  • This ignores the real canon of information about the Q, that they originated in our universe, that they originated some 10,000 years ago, etc etc – Valorum Mar 8 '15 at 0:35
  • TOS confirmed that parallel universes exist, also. – pojo-guy Feb 3 '18 at 22:23

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