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According to TVTropes (usual warning, don't follow the link or you'll waste half your life in a twisty maze of content):

In Ghostbusters, it's strongly implied that Dana Barret, while possessed by Zuul the Gatekeeper, had sex with Louis Tully, who was possessed by Vinz Clortho the Keymaster (key, gate, get it?), in order to free Big Bad Gozer. In fact, a deleted scene from the movie has Venkman explicitly asking Dana if she and Louis "did it".

I turned the quote into a spoiler since it contains really poor-taste joke, but the gist of it is that it's implied that as part of freeing Gozer, the two characters possessed by the Keymaster and the Gatekeeper had sex.

Is there any canon confirmation or denial of this theory (canon meaning something from creators' interviews, DVD commentary, script, delete scenes etc...)?

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    I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for... But, this at least confirms the Deleted Scene as existing: youtu.be/hAUk1StQXpQ?t=7m42s -- Dunno if it answers anything, but Dana's 'No, Louis.. No' makes me think of Tasha Yar and "It never happened!"
    – K-H-W
    Mar 25 '13 at 2:52
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    When Vince Clortho showed up at the Gatekeeper's apartment, he was in disarray, but fully clothed. When they showed up later, on the rooftop, his fly is undone and they're both extra languid. I would say yes, they did done it. Apr 2 '13 at 20:16
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    What poor taste? :)
    – Andres F.
    Apr 3 '13 at 21:47
  • Even if Louis and Dana's bodies had done the horizontal mombo, Dana could honestly have said they hadn't - I'd say that demonic possession (potentially with memory loss) prevents them from claiming involvement.
    – Jeff
    Sep 9 '13 at 17:27
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    @Jeff - gotta remember that excuse for the future.... Sep 9 '13 at 18:02
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No, there is no canon confirmation.

The implication is extremely strong - keymaster/gatekeeper, Dana's dress and behavior, the fact that she led Venkeman (posing as the keymaster) to the bedroom, her dialog ("Do you want this body?"). In total, I think the implications stretched the film's PG rating almost to the breaking point.

The implication is there and couldn't be more blatant if it were poking you in the eyes with a stick, but there is no confirmation.

It's worth noting that when they are broken out of the dog statues, both Louis and Dana are clothed as they were upon meeting. That said, it doesn't invalidate the theory that opening the doorway required intercourse. There was more than enough time from when Louis was broken out (off-screen!) and when we saw a full-body shot of him for the character to have corrected any minor wardrobe issues (like, say, a zipper).

The only way to get a canon answer would be for the movie or official novelization to give one, and they do not. We might end up getting 'Word of God' from the writer/director, but that's not quite canon.

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    "couldn't be more blatant if it were poking you in the eyes with a stick". Metaphor Squad alert! Sep 9 '13 at 18:00
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The Richard Mueller novelisation and both versions of the script strongly suggest that they didn't have sex (or at the very least that they'll never know that it happened)

She looked at Peter Venkman and nodded her head. “Oh, sure. I’m getting used to this.”

Louis Tully hurried over. “I’m innocent. Honest, Dana. I never touched you. Not that I remember anyway.”

“Cool it, Louis,” she said quickly, turning back to Venkman. “What happened to me?”

There was also a deleted scene where Dana emphatically denies that they did it.

LOUIS : Did you and I ... did we?

DANA : No, Louis. No.

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    Although a good point, Dana's response makes me think of Yar's "It never happened!"
    – K-H-W
    Oct 30 '14 at 23:54
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    Is DVK trying to make you the top user in terms of reputation? ;)
    – Adamant
    Jun 25 '16 at 20:03
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    @Obie2.0 - I dunno. He's been very generous with his rep over the past few days. He seems to be sharing it around a bit more in this latest batch.
    – Valorum
    Jun 25 '16 at 20:07
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    @Obie2.0 - That being said, the answers he's bountied are very very good, if I do say so myself.
    – Valorum
    Jun 25 '16 at 20:08
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    These are the characters making assertions, not the narration. Dana's objection in the deleted scene could simply be denial, while the novelization shows they don't know what happened; Louis questions his memory while Dana flatout asks what happened. They're unreliable on the issue. (Compare Tolkien pointing out that Treebeard's errant claim to be the eldest is made in-story, not by the omniscient narration.) I think the verbal and visual implications are strong enough evidence something happened that Dana would rather pretend didn't.
    – user33616
    Oct 25 '17 at 18:56
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Yes, they did have sex. Let me put it in another perspective. Dana the woman, possessed by Zhuul, was the Gatekeeper. Louis the man, possessed by Vinz Clortho, was the Keymaster. A man has a "key," a woman a "gate" or "portal", if you will. A key is inserted into a hole. A "gate" or "portal" opens once the "key" is inserted or in this case, opens to let the "key" in. When Peter, pretending to be the Keymaster, enters Dana's apartment, "Zhuul" leads him to the bedroom and gives him several opportunities to have sex with her. He declines each time because at this point, he knows Dana is possessed by Zhuul. Later, when "Vinz," the "real" Keymaster shows up, he and "Zhuul "share a passionate kiss and then go to the rooftop of the apartment building. After the scene in which the Ghostbusters were climbing the stairs of the building (where Peter sarcastically informs Ray to tell him when they get to the 20th floor so he can throw up) "Zhuul" and "Vinz" emerge from what seems like a sex session (implied by their disshelved clothing and the "Wow smile on "Vinz'" face) to begin standing in the proper location and position to open the portal to let Gozer arrive.

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    – Politank-Z
    Oct 24 '17 at 22:39
  • Both versions of the script and both versions of the novelisation say that you're wrong
    – Valorum
    Oct 24 '17 at 22:51
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It is revealed in a deleted scene on the rooftop that when Louis asked Dana, "did we?" Dana replied "No louis, no."

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    Of course she would deny it. If he has to ask, he doesn't remember, so she might not either. Whether they did or not, she remembered or not, the last thing she would want to say is that they did it. They did it, she knowingly or not is denying it.
    – Anthony X
    Oct 24 '17 at 23:47
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He arrives at her door, after each announces their identity, she leads him up the stairway. In a subsequent scene, they are on some sort of slab together. As they get up, they both (he, especially) seem to have a very satisfied look about them. Also... he initially appears face up, legs hanging over the edge of the slab, toward the camera. There is a moment where you can see his belt, undone, the end of it kinda looking a bit phallic. This is before the Ghostbusters arrive to find them transformed into those creatures. If that scene wasn't implying they had just done the deed, I don't know what else it was doing in the movie.

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  • Both versions of the script and both versions of the novelisation say that you're wrong
    – Valorum
    Oct 25 '17 at 0:45
  • @Valorum But that's what happens on-screen, at least in whatever version(s) have been shown on Canadian TV for years. I don't recall what I saw in theater back in 1984, but I know what I saw only the other day, and the time before that, and the time before that.
    – Anthony X
    Oct 27 '17 at 2:38
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All indicators would imply so. There is likely a reason for this:

In most supernatural stories where a major entity wishes to enter Earth/The Mortal Realm/ the Mortal Plane/ The Dominion of Man/ The Terrestrial lands, whatever the writers or storytellers wish to call it, certain conditions have to be met. Usually, those conditions follow a pre-set pattern:

  1. The realm has to be prepared for their coming in some way. This could be by gathering followers, making sacred/desecrating a ground, or literally preparing a space via some ritual. In this case, it's the only way to make the earth accept the being, or at least make it hospitable for them.An example of this would be, say, blocking out the sun to ensure Vampires could walk freely, or how in The Never Ending Story Bastian had to keep wishing and using his imagination to maintain Fantasia from being consumed by the Nothing, or how, in the novel It , there had to be some build up of bad happenings before It re-awoke to consume humans. At a lower level, Aliens tend to wish to alter Earth to suit their needs, like how the Kryptonians in Man of Steel were terra-forming the planet to make it more like Krypton.... a stupid move in my opinion, as that would increase the gravity and thus lessen their powers, but... plot contrivances.
  2. Some pre-set condition has to be met. This goes to the action function of invading the planet, sort of like putting in the proper code to assure the doors to Earth "open up" without resistance. Think of the film and game of Mortal Kombat where the condition is that in order for Shao Khan to invade any planet without interference from the Elder Gods, he has to win 10 straight victories against the champions chosen to defend that Realm, or how Freddy Krueger, though a disembodied ghost, can only kill kids by entering their dreams, never when they are awake...and usually, he needs a "host" to do the most damage, like Jessie in part II, Kristen in part III, and Jacob in part V. This could be seen to a lesser extent in the Smallville final season, where humans had to be corrupted and a certain amount of evil done in order for Darkseid to bring the planet of Apokolyps to earth to dominate it... as a bonus, Clark Kent, a living embodiment of hope and thus a threat to the living embodiment of tyranny, had to be eliminated as well; he wasn't and the plan failed.
  3. A sacrifice has to be made. This is more visceral, tying directly to the supernatural and thevpower of Equivalent exchange. Usually, this involves a mortal life or blood, traditionally very powerful conductors of supernatural force. This goes back to ancient practices, most notably the Aztecs; one of their patron gods, Huitzilopochtli, was a god of Sun and sacrifices and son of mother Earth. He was essentially her defender, protecting her from her 400 sons and one daughter [the stars and the moon] who had earlier tried to murder her. The Aztec people had to essentially keep him alive by feeding him blood so that he could maintain fighting/running from the darkness. If he weakened, endless night would begin and the moon and stars would descend from the heavens to murder Mother Earth [again] in a more permanent way. Same thing could be seen in South Park movie; the blood of two specific "innocents" had to be shed to open up a portal to hell to allow the Devil [and Sadaam Husein] to walk the Earth.

You see this very often in fiction; as powerful an entity as the devil is, why doesn't he just come and subjugate humanity? The answer is that Earth has been deemed by the Almighty as the realm over which "man has Dominion"; only he can take physical form to influence the actions and direction of the world. No other being, Divine or Demonic, can directly influence events, and the devil can't just march up on the earth or he'd face the complete wrath of Heaven, and be annihilated. However, loop holes exist, and these powers can subtly influence man to make actions which lead to his downfall, and under certain conditions, then the Devil can walk the earth. These conditions are usually exceedingly rare and lead us to the next issue.

  1. Mortals have to use the ultimate power, Free Will, to allow entrance. As the space man has Dominion over, he can direct where the world goes. If he chooses evil, or even just poorly, he can damn himself via his own stupidity to his suffering, and thus deserves his fate. Prime example here would be The Devil's Advocate , where Kevin Lomax chose to take his own life and possibly damn himself to eternity in Hell rather than aid the Devil in taking over the world. Another example is 1997's Spawn where Al Simmons has to choose to kill his murderer to release a deadly virus and thus feed enough souls into Hell that they can storm heaven and take over Earth. Essentially, the Entities Realm is connected to ours via a one-way door, and humans, as beings of power tied to this plane, have to do something to open it "willingly" to let them in. This brings us to the final..
  2. A being of this plane must be used as a "tool" to do the opening. This is where Lewis and Dana fit in, with a little bit of run off from the earlier "rituals" example. As beings tied to this world, human hands must do the work to bring about the entities visitation...but hands do not necessarily mean souls in this case. As such, the entity essentially needs some for of emissary or Herald to come to this world, take or make use of a human form to do some physical dead, task or ritual to assure the door is open and they can walk through. In this case, the Earth Realm has some type of unseen spiritual screen filter; it will keep out the major bad essences, and a host of the smaller ones... but there are some minor entities which are just small enough to squeeze through the wiring and cause issues, usually by making use of a host body to do the physical work or act. In order for that filter to be shut down, human bodies---those connected to this realm in a base way--- had to undertake certain actions to "unlock" the filter screen.

I theorize that Zule the Gate Keeper and Vince the Key Master had to create a type of physical and metaphysical "circuit", a primal act of creation which made the door to Gozer's realm tangible and visible in this realm; as "man" has dominion over earth, it had to be done with human bodies so that the doorway would manifest on the physical plain. After the act was done, Gozer could then walk out onto the earth as an entitity with a body, as well as a spirit. This is backed up by the fact that Gozer's form was alterable, and it could manifest itself as whatever it wanted to be, but asked the human "Champions" [the Ghostbusters] to "choose" a form which their human minds could then comprehend and thus give shape to.

So in all likelihood, they did have sex in order to assure this condition was met. It makes little sens otherwise for them to need to get together for the door to be opened; they had to do something together, and we saw nothing else which could possibly be accomplished in that space.

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  • Both versions of the script and both versions of the novelisation say that you're wrong
    – Valorum
    May 23 '19 at 6:03
  • Note: this is why I said I theorize, not that I was certain. However, the inference of Lewis asking in the deleted scene and Dana's behavior with Venkmen while possessed stating "Take me... Sub creature" [either referring to Venkman's human form as "sub" or some kind of demon pillow talk] would indicate I'm not too far off.
    – Russhiro
    May 25 '19 at 0:00

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