In TOS, Khan is from the 20th century, rules a significant area of Earth for a while, and then leaves Earth at the end of that century. Is that still the case in Star Trek Into Darkness? If so, is the reboot occurring in an alternative timeline from our own (since we obviously have not yet seen a Khan dynasty)?
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possible duplicate of Why does Carol Marcus not recognize Khan in The Wrath of Khan?– phantom42Jan 2, 2014 at 16:34
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@phantom42 I don't think it's a duplicate -- the Carol Marcus question focusses on the alternate timeline created by the events in "Star Trek" (first reboot film), etc. This question focusses on the origin timeline of Khan and whether this indicates that the reboot (before first reboot film's events) was already in an alternate timeline.– zipquincyJan 2, 2014 at 16:45
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10In the reboot, Khan is from the Villains-for-Hire staffing agency in San Francisco. In modern movie-making, plots don't have to make sense because "Hey, f#$#$ you science fiction nerds!". They even kill Kirk, but thankfully get ahold of Shatner's blood which brings him back to life.– John OJan 2, 2014 at 19:25
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possible duplicate of In Star Trek (2009), Did the Original Timeline Survive?– IzkataJan 3, 2014 at 0:12
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I think it was a blunder on the part of the writers or something because it was stated that they were frozen for over 300 years... That would mean that Khan and his crew were from the year 1959... In the original series he ruled much of Earth in the 1990s, so it's impossible for Khan to be the same as the original one.
It is most definitely an alternate universe than our own, just like it's an alternate universe of the main Star Trek universe.
As shown in the wikipedia for Khan it states this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Noonien_Singh
In Star Trek Into Darkness, set in the alternate continuity established in Star Trek (2009), Khan is awakened almost a decade before the events of "Space Seed". Khan is given the false identity "John Harrison" and coerced by Admiral Marcus into building weapons for Starfleet in exchange for the lives of Khan's crew. He ultimately rebels and comes into conflict with the crew of the Enterprise.
If we are led to believe that new movies are just set in a divergent timeline then Khan's origins would have stayed the same. It's more reasonable to believe that this new Star Trek is an alternate universe / alternate continuity as whole not just starting from the point where Kirk's father was killed.
answered Jan 2, 2014 at 16:44
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4But wasn't the divergence between the original and alternate timelines caused when the Kelvin is destroyed by the time-travelling Narada - so events prior to 2233 would be unchanged (including Khan's history).– HorusKolJan 2, 2014 at 22:05
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@HorusKol is correct, see In Star Trek (2009), Did the Original Timeline Survive?– IzkataJan 3, 2014 at 0:12
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Problem with this is if that was the case then in Khan would not have been in stasis for 300 hundred years. His origins would have remained the same as it was in the other movie. Jan 6, 2014 at 15:14
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2@DoctorWho22 is correct. Abrams, as is par for the course with him, just threw some half-remembered tripe at the audience without even bothering to do a simple Wiki search, or, you know, watch Space Seed beforehand. Mar 17, 2014 at 0:53
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6Regarding the "300 years" versus "263 years", it could simply be that Admiral Marcus wasn't a huge history buff and rounded the years to the nearest 100.– XantecMar 17, 2014 at 14:12
The movie never said that they were in stasis for 300 years. It just said that Khan was 300 years old. This is consistent with the original backstory. As said above, events prior to 2233 would be unchanged by the divergence of the timeline. The inconsistency between Khan's backstory and real life DOES indicate that Star Trek doesn't take place in our future. But we know from the writers that the Abrams universe was NOT already an alternate timeline ( in the sense of being alternate to the Prime ) before the Narada showed up in 2233. This is fully reasonable and consistent with what we see on screen. Abrams also clearly watched Space Seed since he preserved the exact number of Khan's crew that survived as seen in the episode.
answered May 30, 2015 at 15:12
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Either watched it, or simply referred to Memory Alpha... :P May 30, 2015 at 18:17
Yes, the reboot is in another timeline from ours.
In the comic that @BCdotWEB references Khan is shown to be a teenager in 1972. He is kidnapped by some shadowy organisation from the streets of New Delhi and taken to a secret facility for genetic experimentation. In 1985 Khan and the other genetically enhanced children escape, killing their captors/jailors. On 17 September 1992 they do this.
This hasn't happened in our timeline so the ST reboot is not in our timeline. So the wormhole that transported Nero and Old Spock did not only displace them in time but also to another timeline.
There is an official comic for the origins of Khan which detail his past:
Witness the shocking origin of Khan Noonien Singh from his earliest years through his rise to power during the epic Eugenics Wars! Behold the events that led to his escape from Earth aboard the Botany Bay! Learn the truth behind his re-awakening by Admiral Marcus and Section 31! It’s the origin of Star Trek’s greatest villain!
You can read a summary of those events on the Wikia page for Khan Noonien Singh (alternate reality):
He was born in 1970. His mother was Doctor Sarina Kaur, the director of the Chrysalis Project from its foundation until her death on May 18, 1974. (TOS novel: The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh, Volume 1)
In 1971, Khan was living on the streets of New Delhi with one leg. He was then taken by men working for Dr. Heisen as part of his Eugenics project. In 1972, after displaying his fury, Khan was given a new leg and met with Dr. Heisen. There Heisen taught him how to unlock all the knowledge of the world. For the next 7 years, Khan and other students, underwent extensive mental, physical training. Khan was also given regenerative powers. Khan then tried to escape from Dr. Heisen by digging through solid rock, greatly impressing the doctor. However he was captured by Heisen when his neural inhibitor was activated.
In August of 1985, Khan contacted Heisen to give him a gift from all the augments: their neural inhibitors. Khan told Heisen that they would leave his project on their terms, not his. Khan then killed Heisen by squeezing his skull. Khan and his fellow augments then decide to take over the world.
