Silmarillion tells us what happens to the souls of Men and Elves:

... For the Elves die not till tile world dies, unless they are slain or waste in grief (and to both these seeming deaths they are subject); neither does age subdue their strength, unless one grow weary of ten thousand centuries; and dying they are gathered to the halls of Mandos in Valinor, whence they may in time return. But the sons of Men die indeed, and leave the world; wherefore they are called the Guests, or the Strangers. Death is their fate, the gift of Ilúvatar, which as Time wears even the Powers shall envy. ...

But what happens to the souls of other creatures likes dwarves, hobbits, ents, orcs, uruk-hai, maiar, balrogs (and other conscious creatures I might have forgotten)?

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This is covered in Silmarillion Chapter 2, Of Aule and Yavanna:

Aforetime it was held among the Elves in Middle-earth that dying the Dwarves returned to the earth and the stone of which they were made; yet that is not their own belief. For they say that Aule the Maker, whom they call Mahal, cares for them, and gathers them to Mandos in halls set apart; and that he declared to their Fathers of old that Iluvatar will hallow them and give them a place among the Children in the End. Then their part shall be to serve Aule and to aid him in the remaking of Arda after the Last Battle.


The question of Hobbit origins has previously been answered: Hobbits are a variety of Men, and as such will share the same fate.


The fate of Ents is not stated directly, but Entish origins are given in the Silmarillion (Of Aule and Yavanna again):

...the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared.

Tolkien never really said what these "spirits from afar" actually were. They're evidently nature-spirits of some kind (Bombadil may even be one, Goldberry almost certainly is one), but are they Maiar or some other class of spirit? In the end we don't know.

However, Ents do appear to be immortal within Arda, as per Galadriel's words to Treebeard in RotK:

Not in Middle-earth, nor until the lands that lie under the wave are lifted up again. Then in the willowmeads of Tasarinan we may meet in the Spring. Farewell!

This is a reference to the End of the World and to Arda Unmarred, which requires some discussion of the Second Prophecy of Mandos to fully elaborate on, and as such is outside the scope of this question.

Orcs and Uruk-hai

I'm taking these together because they have the same origin ("Uruk" is just Black Speech for "Orc" after all). It seems obvious that the fate of Orcs depends on this origin; but unfortunately Tolkien never finalised it satisfactorily (there are serious chronology problems with his decision that Orcs have a Mannish origin). We may assume that if Orcs were Elvish they'd go to Mandos but never be released, if Mannish they die and leave the world, etc.

Maiar and Balrogs

Again, I'm taking these together because Balrogs are Maiar. As they are both Ainur who came into the world at its creation, their spirits are bound to the world until its end. This is said in the Ainulindale of the Valar, but since the Maiar are of the same order of beings (just of lesser might) the same applies:

...their power should thenceforward be contained and bounded in the World, to be within it for ever, until it is complete, so that they are its life and it is theirs.

However it is possible for Maiar to die and leave the world: this happened to Gandalf, after all:

Then darkness took me; and I strayed out of thought and time, and I wandered far on roads that I will not tell.

Letter 156 is confirmation of this:

'Naked I was sent back – for a brief time, until my task is done'. Sent back by whom, and whence? Not by the 'gods' whose business is only with this embodied world and its time; for he passed 'out of thought and time'.

In Tolkien being "immortal" means being bound to the world until the End of Time, whereas being "mortal" means that one's spirit leaves the world. However, Gandalf, as one of the Istari, was bound to a mortal body and the same applies to Saruman. We also have cases where fallen Ainur (Sauron and Melkor) are bound into their "Dark Lord" forms, so we can assume that this also applies to Balrogs.

A Maia who is not so bound can be slain, but it's only their form that is destroyed; their spirit lives on in Arda and can make a new form for itself. This is what actually happened to Sauron following the Fall of Numenor (see the Akallabeth):

But Sauron was not of mortal flesh, and though he was robbed now of that shape in which he had wrought so great an evil, so that he could never again appear fair to the eyes of Men, yet his spirit arose out of the deep and passed as a shadow and a black wind over the sea, and came back to Middle-earth and to Mordor that was his home. There he took up again his great Ring in Barad-dur, and dwelt there, dark and silent, until he wrought himself a new guise.....


I'm adding Melkor because at the end of the First Age he was actually executed by the Valar; in the Silmarillion we learn that:

But Morgoth himself the Valar thrust through the Door of Night beyond the Walls of the World, into the Timeless Void; and a guard is set for ever on those walls, and Earendil keeps watch upon the ramparts of the sky.

Referring to Gandalf's "out of thought and time" above, it is obvious that "the Timeless Void" means the same thing. It's also obvious that even there, Iluvatar can intervene if he wants to: he did with Gandalf, he presumably wouldn't with Melkor.

  • So Sauron wasn't destroyed after the ring was destroyed? I thought he was able to take corporeal form again only because the ring still endured after Isildur defeated him. Doesn't Elrond say that Sauron's "life" is tied to the ring at the Council of Elrond or something to that effect?
    – iMerchant
    Jan 6, 2017 at 5:09
  • What about the rest (mûmakil, wargs, drakes, rabbits, common spiders, fish...) are they considered as non-living objects? Do they reincarnate? Or stay in place as spirits unable to interact with the world? Apr 6, 2018 at 9:26
  • @iMerchant Sauron only lost that power which he put into the Ring in the first place; it wasn't all his power, but it was the vast majority, it would appear. He wasn't destroyed, but he was virtually impotent. You can think of him as being in the same state as he was at the end of the Second Age, but now without the Ring to draw upon (however distant it was then) to "strengthen" himself.
    – chepner
    Aug 29, 2019 at 19:26
  • There's a SFF discussion over whether Orcs possess fëar (i.e. spirits) and the conclusion was no. So, when orcs die, they're just dead meat.
    – Spencer
    Oct 22, 2021 at 5:38
  • I think Gandalf's case was a rare exception. Gandalf "died" in the sense that his body got destroyed, just like Elves and Men. And he probably lost much power, since building a body "used up some of the inherent energy of the spirit"(Letters). He might not have the power to rebuild again, then Eru intervened. But unlike Elves and Men, a Maia was a spiritual being to begin with. I don't like the idea they can leave the world just by using up their energy (or, building a body then destroying it). It sounds weird.
    – Eugene
    Oct 22, 2021 at 5:55

The Valar did not know

In a c.1957 note appended to "Laws and Customs among the Eldar", Tolkien discusses how it was that we have records of the debates of the Valar, and mentions some other topics that they debated as well, including the fates of other speaking creatures after death.

This debate of the Valar not wholly feigned. For the Eldar were permitted to attend all conclaves, and many did so (especially those that so deeply concerned them, their fate, and their place in Arda, as did this matter). Reference is made to things that had not at that time happened (is it prophecy?), but that is partly due to later commentators. For the 'Statute of Finwe and Miriel' was among the documents of lore most deeply studied and pondered. And as has been seen many questions and answers arising were appended.

[?Thus] questions were also asked concerning the fate and death of Men. Also concerning other 'speaking', and therefore 'reasonable', kinds: Ents, Dwarves, Trolls, Orcs - and the speaking of beasts such as Huan, or the Great Eagles.
Morgoth's Ring - "Laws and Customs among the Eldar"

As can be seen, even the Valar did not know the fate after death of anyone other than the elves, and therefore spent a lot of time debating what happens.

To conclude:

  • Elves: Go to Manwë after death and get reincarnated, etc
  • Men: unknown
  • Ents: unknown
  • Dwarves: unknown
  • Trolls: unknown
  • Orcs: unknown
  • Talking Animals: unknown
  • The dating of this note isn't mentioned in HoMe, but Carl Hostetter dates the other notes from this bundle to c.1957 when citing one of them in The Nature of Middle-earth page 200.
    – ibid
    Oct 22, 2021 at 3:00
  • Men: Go to the Timeless Halls and dwell with Eru, Dwarves to a special place designed by Aule, Ents Orcs,Trolls and Animals are unknown.
    – Fingolfin
    Dec 3, 2023 at 2:06

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