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On several occasions our heroes in Stargate Atlantis worry that their gateship may have been detected between exiting the stargate and activating the cloak.

Why don't they just cloak before they go through the gate?

  • Speculation on my part; power usage would prevent the maintenance of a wormhole if they were cloaked? – James Sheridan Mar 30 '14 at 4:02
  • @JamesSheridan - There's no evidence of that, plus various people do enter the gate cloaked without causing much trouble, notably the Sodan and Nirtti... – Valorum Mar 30 '14 at 9:43
  • @James: The jumpers don't power the gates; they only control them remotely. – Lightness Races in Orbit Nov 25 '14 at 13:47
  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit: Yeah, I abandoned that speculation about five minutes after I made it. – James Sheridan Nov 26 '14 at 0:30
  • Its not actually a answer but : Why bother? The gate opening with the big kawoosh on the destination gate is not exactly discreet... And when you cross the gate (even cloaked I think) you create visible ondulations on the event horizon... So if a foe is waiting for you, they can easily detect you and start fire as soon as you pass, even cloaked – max pnj Feb 18 '16 at 10:48
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We see in various episodes, such as "The Siege, Part 3" that the use of a cloak negates any shielding the vessel may possess. Given that they're entering an unknown situation (where the enemy may simply be firing continuously at the gate), it makes tactical sense to use the main shields when entering the gate, then cloak afterwards.

In the episode "The Shrine" we see precisely this situation. I've edited for brevity...

In the Gateroom, a M.A.L.P. trundles into the open Stargate. As it reaches the other side, Richard looks at the video footage which it is sending back. Two Wraith Hive ships are on the ground on hillsides either side of the Gate. He reports on what he's seeing.

WOOLSEY: The M.A.L.P. is clear of the Gate and they're firing on it from both sides of what appears to be a deep valley.

The Jumper lowers down into the Gateroom.

WOOLSEY: It's deploying smoke. You should have complete coverage of the area in five seconds.

(The Jumper flies into the Gate.)

TALUS. The Jumper exits the Gate and soars forward through a thick cloud of smoke. Its cloak can be heard deploying as it races up into the sky. It turns around and heads back the way it came to take a look at the two Hive ships.

TEYLA: Do you think they detected us before we were able to cloak?

SHEPPARD: No, I think the smokescreen worked. Hopefully they think we just sent the M.A.L.P. through ahead of us and changed our mind when they blew it up.

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    In This Mortal Coil, they need a distraction in order to approach the gate uncloaked. There was no constant barrage towards the gate and no reason to think that one would suddenly start up. Otherwise why sacrifice clones of your entire team (not to mention the sole surviving Weir, at least as far as was known at that time) to create a distraction in the first place? Sneaking through would be tactically sound given the distraction. I think the implication is that the jumpers can't go through whilst cloaked. – Lightness Races in Orbit Nov 25 '14 at 13:49
  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit - Except that we see multiple times when other cloaked individuals travel through the gate (Niirti springs to mind). Perhaps it's a function of the autopilot? I honestly don't know about this one. – Valorum Nov 25 '14 at 13:57
  • Yeah granted only the jumpers have had a problem with it. I tend to presume that it's just a factor of that particular brand of cloaking device; perhaps partial demolecularisation while it's active is dangerous. This is the only honest-to-god Ancient cloak we've seen go through the gates, after all; all other cloaks were much newer and had possibly been enhanced. – Lightness Races in Orbit Nov 25 '14 at 14:19
  • @Richard When Niirti comes through the gate invisible, she is not cloaked. She is using Retu dimensional shifting technology. As far as I can remember everyone else who went through the gate invisible (Retu, Daniel Jackson, Cam) were all using dimensional shift rather than cloaks. Of course, I could easily be forgetting some occasion that a cloaked individual went through. – Bamboo Aug 4 '15 at 3:54
  • Two things -- A.) the puddle jumpers seem to mostly use Ancient shielding -- which is visible at all times as opposed to Asgard shielding which isn't visible until hit. (do they ever use the Asgard shield?) so if they were shielded before cloaking wouldn't we see it? – Jemmeh Nov 25 '15 at 23:26
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Writing in the Jumper says not to

In several scenes we can see writing in Ancient across the top of the jumper console. Two images are here, taken from the Season 1 episode, The Defiant One *, show the left and center of the console, respectively,

pilot side of console

copilot side of the console

Rather than being actual Ancient, the writing is just English with Ancient characters. Piecing together the text from various images of the console, we obtain the full ancient text (as it would appear to someone sitting in the jumper reading from left to right):

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Fortunately, there is an Ancient to English alphabet guide on Wikipedia:

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The translation is as follows**

Gate protocols must be set before launch sequence.
Never attempt gate reentry when in cloak m??? [mode?]

So, in short, they don't cloak when going through the gate because the Ancients wrote clear instructions in the jumpers not to.

Of course, one might wonder why the Ancients wrote instructions on the console in English using the Ancient alphabet, but that's another question.

* I haven't been able to get a good shot of the right side of the console. I did all of the translations off of images in The Defiant One, but there is no moment when the right side of the console is visible... I freeze framed and went step by step to get each character. If someone can find an image from another episode that shows the right side clearly, please do upload it.

** I've inserted spaces and some capitalization, which the Ancients didn't seem to use.

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    It's not surprising that the Ancient script didn't use punctuation or spaces since classical Latin, the closest Earth language, didn't either. – Thunderforge Aug 4 '15 at 4:03
  • A great find. Unfortunately it doesn't say "why" not to, but there's clearly a good reason not to or they wouldn't have put a warning on the dashboard :-) – Valorum Aug 29 '15 at 19:30
  • The jumpers have a very very tight fit, through the wormhole. Maybe, for some insane reason, the shield makes the jumper too big? – user001 Aug 30 '15 at 21:20
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I don't think they ever explicitly say, but because they never go through the stargate while cloaked I don't think they can. My guess is because Ancient cloaks are extremely powerful, hiding puddle jumpers both from vision and also sensors. In fact, the only time a cloaked jumper is sensed is by a wraith ship using a ZPM -- and even so the wraith ship didn't have a perfect idea of the puddle jumper's positioning because it missed the shot it took at it.

But because it hides them from sensors-- the stargate might not realize they've gone through, so it can't store them in it's hyperspatial buffer. The Ancients probably had the technology to sense cloaked jumpers (so it would work with the stargate) but it takes so much energy to sense a cloaked jumper and get even a vague position that it was easier to just say "Don't go through the gate while cloaked."


To rule a few things out:

1.) It's not "just part of the automatic launch sequence". In Season 1, Episode 17 "Letters from Pegasus"

[13:50] Sheppard: I'll take us out of stealth mode for the pass through, dial the gate.

In that scene they are returning to Atlantis. One popular theory is that it's not cloaked because of the automated systems that take over when a puddle jumper approaches the stargate -- but we can see in this episode he is doing this manually. There are automated systems for getting through a stargate but it doesn't seem to include uncloaking.

Per Season 2 Episode 10: "The Lost Boys"

[44:40] Sheppard: The Dart went on autopilot the second I got close to the hive. ... That's what Jumpers do when they gate back to Atlantis.

2.) It's not because the shield/cloak makes the jumper too big, or that shielded items can't go through.

  • Season 4, Episode 17 "Midway" @22:05 The wraith send through a shielded weapon.

  • Season 3, Episode 11 "The Return: Part 2" @3:08 They fly the puddle
    jumper through when it is completely shielded. Of interesting note,
    it doesn't look like it's shielded before they enter the stargate, so they must do it at some point while in the wormhole because as they exit they are already shielded.(Which doesn't make sense, and is probably a mistake.)

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