Some of the remaining notable and named Elves' birthdates are either known, or through association can be reasonably guessed at. They are:

  • Galadriel - birthdate YT 1362,
  • Elrond - birthdate FA 532,
  • Glorfindel - birthdate unknown (sometime YT, killed FA 510 then re-embodied),
  • Celeborn - birthdate unknown (sometime YT?),
  • Haldir - birthdate unknown (late FA-early SA?),
  • Legolas - birthdate unknown (early TA?)

Within Tolkien's work, is there another Elf remaining in Middle Earth that is older than those noted?

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    Pretty sure the only contenders are Galadriel and Cirdan.
    – Kevin
    Commented Apr 21, 2014 at 18:57
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    In fact, I'd bet heavily on Cirdan.
    – Kevin
    Commented Apr 21, 2014 at 18:58
  • Or possibly Tom Bombadil Commented Apr 21, 2014 at 23:37
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    Tom Bombadil is not an elf.
    – Ron Smith
    Commented Apr 22, 2014 at 6:17

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Of the named Elves it's almost certainly Cirdan, who was on the Great Journey and possibly even dates back to Cuivienen.

Note 29 to the Cirdan essay in HoME 12 confirms the former:

Before ever they came to Beleriand the Teleri had developed a craft of boat-making; first as rafts, and soon as light boats with paddles made in imitation of the water-birds upon the lakes near their first homes, and later on the Great Journey in crossing rivers, or especially during their long tarrying on the shores of the 'Sea of Rhun', where their ships became larger and stronger. But in all this work Cirdan had ever been the foremost and most inventive and skilful.

There are several possibilities for Elves that are even older than him, however. We know (from Quendi and Eldar, published in HoME 11) that of the First Kindred all became Eldar (i.e the Vanyar) and none became Avari. Of the Second Kindred the split was 50/50, with the half that became Eldar being the Noldor. The other half of the Second Kindred remained in Middle-earth. Of the Third Kindred about two-thirds became Eldar with the rest remaining as Avari.

From there occasional groups dropped off in the course of the Great Journey (most notably at the Misty Mountains) and about another third of the Third Kindred remained as Sindar.

Aside from the First Kindred (who all went to Valinor) it's never said what happened to the original Elves that awoke of the Second and Thirds. We know that Finwe and Elwe were not among the original 144, but what we don't know is how many of those remained as Avari. If we assume that at least some did, and if they're still alive, then they would be the oldest Elves in Middle-earth.

Edit to Add: Some dates from the Annals of Aman (HoME 10), all given in YT (Years of the Trees; 1 YT = approx 10 Years of the Sun):

  • 1050: The Awakening of the Elves.
  • 1085: Orome finds the Elves.
  • 1090: The Battle of the Powers begins.
  • 1099: The Chaining of Melkor.
  • 1102: Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe as Ambassadors to Valinor.
  • 1105: The Great Journey begins and the First Sundering.
  • 1115: The Great Journey at Mirkwood/Greenwood, Anduin and the Misty Mountains.
  • 1125: The Vanyar and Noldor reach Beleriand.
  • 1128: The Teleri reach Beleriand.
  • 1130: Elwe is lost.
  • 1133: The Vanyar and Noldor reach Valinor.
  • 1149: Cirdan is lord at Brithombar and Eglarest.
  • 1151: The Teleri reach Tol Eressea.
  • 1179: Birth of Feanor.
  • 1190: Birth of Fingolfin.
  • 1362: Birth of Galadriel.

Update - 13th March 2015

Next oldest after Círdan is almost certainly Daeron. He was the Loremaster and Minstrel of Thingol, and the Annals of Aman state that he invented his runes in VY 1300. That means that he was born sometime earlier, obviously, but we don't know how much earlier.

Now, in Of Beren and Lúthien we read:

But seeking for Lúthien in despair he wandered upon strange paths, and passing over the mountains he came into the East of Middle-earth, where for many ages he made lament beside dark waters for Lúthien, daughter of Thingol, most beautiful of all living things.

This establishes a good probability that Daeron is still alive in the east of Middle-earth at the time of Lord of the Rings.

Maglor, of course, is probably also still alive (and notably the last of the Fëanorians), but we don't have a birth-date for him.

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    Círdan remained with those Teleri who had chosen to stay east of the Sea for love of Ossë, and became their lord... They don't make inexperienced 'kids' their lord so he had to be at least among the oldest of the bunch and worthy of lordship. If any 'old-timers' were still present he/she would likely have been named 'lord'.
    – Morgan
    Commented Apr 22, 2014 at 0:39
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    In my estimation, this answer just edges out DoctorWho22's good answer due to the supporting date concerning the 'named' Elves that Cirdan hung out with.
    – Morgan
    Commented Apr 22, 2014 at 0:47
  • This is a thorough answer, but you introduce the number 144 without explaining what you mean, and the target of the link does not explain 144 either.
    – Spencer
    Commented Jul 6, 2017 at 0:56

Most likely Círdan...

From the wikia


Círdan was the lord of the Falas and then of the Balar during much of the First Age, one of the wisest and perhaps the mightiest of the Moriquendi. He was the bearer of the Great Ring Narya, which he in turn gave to Gandalf.

He was kin to both Elwë and Olwë. He may have also been related to Elmo, the lesser known brother of Elwë. However, Tolkien never defined exactly how the Círdan and Thingol were related.

Thus, he is one of the oldest beings alive in Middle-earth as of the beginning of the Fourth Age, aside from Tom Bombadil, Treebeard and, possibly, several other Ents. As the Ents were of the Children of Ilúvatar, they might or might not have awoken in Middle-earth at the same time as the Eldar. Nevertheless, the two were uncommonly ancient and uniquely revered among their races.

The Complete Guide to Middle-earth

  • Círdan (born Nowë), was kin of both Elwë and Olwë, a lord in the host of the former. Nowë headed the art of making and sailing ships. From this profession he took the name Círdan which means "shipwright" in Sindarin. Círdan remained with those Teleri who had chosen to stay east of the Sea for love of Ossë, and became their lord. When Belegurth broke forth in the First Battle of Beleriand in Y.T. 1497, Círdan was cut off and unable to come to Thingol’s aid... This makes his birthday very early YT. Much older than the others in the OP by maybe 1,000+ years.
    – Morgan
    Commented Apr 22, 2014 at 0:29

Círdan definitely, as he possibly even lived in Cuiviénen (He was born between YT 1050 and YT 1149, which yields 99 years of variation, and as the Elves commonly have children when they are 200 years old or older, Círdan may have been one of the original 144 elves.

  • That’s a fan written wiki so not exactly definitive. If possible you should try and go to the primary source, I.e. the books
    – TheLethalCarrot
    Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 12:13
  • I will find the source.
    – Vedast
    Commented Apr 21, 2020 at 14:29

It depends upon if you consider Maglor to be alive. Assuming Maglor is dead Cirdan would be the oldest elf. However nothing is said about Maglor's ultimate fate other than he wanders the coastline singing sad songs about what might have been. If one considers Maglor to still be alive he would be the oldest elf in Middle Earth.

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    The Annals of Aman first mention Cirdan in YT1149 but date Feanor's birth to YT1179. Since Feanor was Maglor's father, Maglor cannot possibly be older.
    – user8719
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 23:28

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