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I was looking at the Noldor House of Finwë descendancy and on one side it shows Arwen, daughter of Elrond as we all know. But I didn't know this part: the other side breaks off into Aragorn as a descendant of Elros - Elrond's twin brother. Does that make them cousins?

  • The first Appendix to LoTR recounts the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen, and tells of their first meeting when Arwen says: "Then we are akin from afar". – Daniel Roseman May 23 '14 at 6:10
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    Aragorn definitely has Aunt Lindsay’s nose. Wait, sorry, wrong universe. – Paul D. Waite May 23 '14 at 8:37
  • Kissin' cousins... – Brian Warshaw May 23 '14 at 16:51
  • To everyone here using family trees off the webz, I'm not sure where these find their source? For all I know, the books would be the only sources that may decide this. But I know that most of the names in these family trees are never mentioned. – poepje May 24 '14 at 16:06
  • Near duplicate of scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/91166/…; the first answer goes into great detail about Aragorn's ancestry. – chepner Sep 23 '16 at 23:06
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Using the family-tree from http://lotrproject.com/, by my quick-count it seems Arwen and Aragorn II are first-cousins either 62 or 67 times removed, depending on whether you go through Aragorn's great x 14 grandfather (Arvedui) or great x 14 grandmother (Firiel) who both descended from Elendil (Arvedui on the Isildur side, Firiel on the Anarion side).

Hence Elendil is Aragorn's great x 38 grandfather as well as Aragorn's great x 43 grandfather.

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    For fun, you could try sticking a few more greats in wolfram alpha – user12183 May 24 '14 at 0:16
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The short answer is yes, they're directly related (first cousins) albeit separated by a very considerable age gap.

This handy family tree from The Encyclopaedia of Arda should be helpful to you:

Arwen Aragorn

Please note that the dotted line between Elros and Aragorn represents many thousands of years of lineage on Aragorn's side of the family.

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    The men of Numenor are long-lived, but this still represents something like 50 generations of descent between Elros and Aragorn. (We could get a rough idea how many by counting the Kings of Numenor and later of Arnor, but I can't be bothered to go get my copy of LOTR and do that just now.) In real-world terms it would be like marrying someone you shared an ancestor with about 1000 years ago. Any two people from (say) the same European country are likely to have a common ancestor if you go this far back. – Royal Canadian Bandit May 22 '14 at 20:55
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    @RoyalCanadianBandit - Precisely. theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/25/barackobama1 Obama = related to Clinton, the Queen, Churchill, Tony Blair, George Bush, etc etc/ – Valorum May 22 '14 at 21:24
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    @JimmyShelter - Yes, the chart is a bit of fluff designed to illustrate the foolishness of trying to backtrack familial relations over millenniun. At any point this lineage could easily have been illegitimised by a bored queen and a bottle of cheap bordeaux. – Valorum May 22 '14 at 21:49
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    @PaulDraper, the technical term for generational differences of this sort is "removes", eg. if your grandfather was my great-grandfather, we'd be "first cousins once removed". Aragorn and Arwen are "first cousins fifty-someodd times removed". – Mark May 23 '14 at 3:51
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    @WhatRoughBeast: "When the cousins are not the same generation, they are described as "removed". In this case, the smaller number of generations to the common ancestor is used to determine the degree, and the difference in generations determines the number of times removed." So the smaller number of generations to the common ansestors is one, so they're first cousins. Did you read the page you linked? – Mooing Duck May 23 '14 at 16:09
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Very distant first cousins, many many times removed.

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    many thousand years removed. – Oldcat May 22 '14 at 20:32
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    Yep, quite the older woman. – ohmi May 22 '14 at 20:33
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    Those dunedain sure love their cougars! – System Down May 22 '14 at 20:43

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