When Clara is scattered throughout the Doctor's timeline, she's basically born several times (we see a child version of her, growing up). But she's still human. They're all copies of the original.

What's up with the Clara we see on Gallifrey, though? She's human, so she couldn't have been born to a Gallifreyan family, could she?

Hence, she should have been born within a human society (do we even know the Earth year?) and then traveled to Gallifrey to advise some Time Lord about which TARDIS to steal...

... This all sounds like a bunch of rubbish, especially because her copies didn't have proper memory of the Doctor. So my question is: how did Clara end up on Gallifrey?

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    In classic Who, Gallifrey was not exclusively populated by Time Lords. There were also the "Shobogan" and the "Outsiders" and then Leela. – Elliott Frisch Jul 14 '14 at 5:37
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    @Voldemort It is not clear to me that she must have been born a human in that time line, she's a leaf (whatever that means). In fact, it seemed clear that she wasn't human there (since she knew about TARDISes). – Elliott Frisch Jul 14 '14 at 6:55
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    No, Clara is not a leaf (I'm not even sure what that's about), and yes, the echoes did live whole lifetimes. That was said twice. However, there is no indication that the echoes had to be human. There are countless humanoid races in the Doctor Who universe. There is no reason to assume that Clara echoes couldn't have emerged on those worlds in accordance with the Doctor's timeline - obviously, that wouldn't happen on an Asylum planet full of Daleks because there are no natural humanoids there. So Oswin had to end up at the Asylum some other way. But that doesn't necessarily apply to them all – Amy Jul 14 '14 at 7:23
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    Going a step further, the audio story "Zagreus" tells us that Rassilon seeded other worlds throughout the universe with biogenic molecules that would develop into humanoid races, so technically speaking, all humanoids are a tiny bit related to the Time Lords. – Amy Jul 14 '14 at 7:25
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    Unfortunately, there is only one valid answer to this question: the writer put her there. That's all there is to it. There is no in-universe explanation offered or easily gleaned, so we're stuck with, "Moffat wanted her there, so there she was." – Michael Scott Shappe Jul 14 '14 at 16:01

Clara's mind was scattered throughout the Doctor's timestream, to help him at important points when the Great Intelligence tried to kill him. Different individuals lived wholly different lives, but had the same personality; there is nothing in there that suggests that each copy of her personality has to be human. Why would a tear in time be limited by mere biology?

If you want to go a bit esoteric, you can go and read Lungbarrow and learn that Time Lords are artificially created in 'looms'; it is possible, then, that the Time Lord!Clara came out of the loom as a human by some technically-possible-but-hilariously-improbable glitch in the system (hey, if the Doctor himself can be half-human...). But this is not actually necessary, for the reason stated above.


she's still human. They're all copies of the original.

Ah, my friend. You’re confusing the soufflé and the recipe. The recipe is for Clara to save the Doctor. That doesn’t have to mean human Clara, any more than it means the original Clara who was born in late-20th century England thanks to a leaf falling off a tree.

But, assuming the Clara we see on Gallifrey is human:

she should have been born within a human society (do we even know the Earth year?) and then traveled to Gallifrey to advise some Time Lord about which TARDIS to steal...

... This all sounds like a bunch of rubbish, especially because her copies didn't have proper memory of the Doctor.

No more rubbish, I’d argue, than Victorian nanny/tavern wench Clara following a stranger from an alleyway up an invisible ladder — there’s an assumption that even if some fragments of Clara don’t consciously remember the Doctor, they all have some sort of compulsion to get to where he is and help.

But given that we see Gallifreyan Clara in the repair shop for machines that can travel anywhere in time and space, it’s not unreasonable for this one to have been born anywheren (a new word I just invented to refer to the entirety of spacetime, tell your friends).

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    The real bunch of rubbish is at the end of The Time of the Doctor, where we nearly see the Doctor die on Trenzalore, but then he gets a bunch of new regenerations instead. So... did Clara save the Doctor by jumping into his corpse on Trenzalore? Or did that never happen now? Does the Doctor eventually finally die on Trenzalore? Er... (See scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/46882/…) – Paul D. Waite Jul 15 '14 at 9:48
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    Clara saved him in a previous timeline, but time has changed now, so the tomb timeline never happened. Normally, that would be a problem, and Clara would have never traveled with the Doctor and paradoxes abound and whatnot, but the Time Lords are capable of holding things like that in place. The Master managed it once by cannibalizing an outdated TARDIS, and here we have the entire technology might of Gallifrey. The Doctor points it out when Clara tells him to change the future, and he says, "I could have once, when there were Time Lords. Not anymore." – Amy Jul 15 '14 at 16:28
  • @Amy: “the Time Lords are capable of holding things like that in place” — well, fair enough. But it’s not like the Time Lords are back, is it? They poked a new set of regenerations through the crack from the pocket universe, but they haven’t actually come back yet, as far as I understand it. – Paul D. Waite Jul 15 '14 at 17:01
  • @PaulD.Waite the word "yet" somewhat loses its meaning when time travel is involved – OrangeDog Jul 16 '19 at 14:15

Then that's how an echo was on Gallifrey to help the Doctor. I'd like to know what her name was I suppose she had a long life; at least I hope so.

I was thinking that maybe Bonnie from the Zygon Invasion could be a Zygon version of her.

Someone I know was rather puzzled by the echoes where they born along Claras family tree or random families - I think it was random families because River said a million copies of Clara they could be anywhere any-time along the doctors timeline and even The Master noticed them at some time.


First, I don't think we can prove that every echo is human.  We don't know exactly how her echoes are produced.  For all we know, there could be Gallefreyan echoes, Sontaran echoes, Androgummy echoes and who knows what else. 

But, for the sake of argument, let's pretend that they are.  Let's assume that each of Clara's echoes are physically identical clones.  Let's assume that they're all born to human parents in unsurprising ways.  Then the question is "how could a post-War human being end up on pre-War Gallifrey?" 

Well, baring extraordinary circumstances, nothing from a post-War timeframe can end up on a pre-War Gallifrey.  The extraordinary circumstance in this case is that the Doctor's personal history extends to pre-War Gallifrey.  The echo can make it to that place and time through that established conduit.  Many of her echoes must be pre-War humans. 

But, in the general case, how does a pre-War human end up on pre-War Gallifrey?  By TARDIS, most likely (or did we call them SIDRATs in that era?)  Pre-War, very few Time Lords did the gallivanting about, rebel-without-a-cause renegade thing.  Very few -- but more than just the Doctor himself.  She could have been the companion of the Mad Monk, or the Corsair, or the Rani, or the Master, or any other Renegade Lord. 

This doesn't seem far-fetched.  It almost seems inevitable.  The echoes of the Great Intelligence are all dedicated to giving the Doctor an endless series of really bad days.  At least some of them would try to nudge any of these Rival Renegades into the Doctor's way.  The simplest method for nudging them back out of the way is to give them distracting Companions. 

I think at least one Clara had to become an earlier Renegade's Companion, and she was just left to her own devices in the repair bay long enough to recommend Sexy as a TARDIS worth stealing.  I figure she also caused a big enough distraction to keep that Renegade from following the Doctor and prematurely ending his career, in spite of whatever the GI did to put the Rival Renegade on the Doctor's heels. 

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